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This confuses the heck out of me.
The way I think it is supposed to be is that if the stamps is in its normal position (either a horizontal or vertical position) a vertical 137 would show the double cross with the stem vertical, as a tree so to speak. And for a horizontal 137 it would then look as if the 'tree' is on its side.
Can someone please explain if this is the correct interpretation?
I guess it would work the same for British commonwealth watermarks too, when they talk about watermark 'sideways'. Can someone please also explain this further? For those stamps some are horizontal rectangle stamps and other vertical rectangles, which really sometimes throws me for a loop. Especially knowing that the watermarks were put into the paper before printing and perforating.
Watermark pictures in Scott are confusing as they seem to be given in the shape of a stamp, which is suggesting the stamp orientation. That may be deceptive.
It would help me greatly to understand the full paper preparation, watermarking and then printing and perforation process step by step.
For example, is paper typically square or rectangular itself, and should I know exactly how a particular stamp was printed on that paper (in which orientation?).?
Thanks in advance,
Leen Intveld
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that is correct
the watermark would be on its side, almost as if it had been leening and now fallen
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Thanks for confirming the horizontal 137 
Any suggestions regarding the British stamps, which exist in both horizontal and vertical shape in one set?
How do I determine watermark 'normal' vs. watermark sideways, for each one? (hor. vs vert.)
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look at the WMK in the catalogue; that will be the upright version; any change in orientation becomes the variety
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This image is from the Stanley Gibbons Concise catalogue, so applies to UK stamps. Similar rules apply to the various other countries around the world. The catalogues usually illustrate them at the beginning of each country.
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You might also want to search for the key word "watermark" in the search bar above. One thread that comes up is this https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_m ...
Which has a few good links and recommendations regarding fluid to use, and also another visual.
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Thanks for those very useful replies sheepshanks and amsd
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05:01:17pm
Scotts mentions this watermark 137 as either horizontal or vertical.
This confuses the heck out of me.
The way I think it is supposed to be is that if the stamps is in its normal position (either a horizontal or vertical position) a vertical 137 would show the double cross with the stem vertical, as a tree so to speak. And for a horizontal 137 it would then look as if the 'tree' is on its side.
Can someone please explain if this is the correct interpretation?
I guess it would work the same for British commonwealth watermarks too, when they talk about watermark 'sideways'. Can someone please also explain this further? For those stamps some are horizontal rectangle stamps and other vertical rectangles, which really sometimes throws me for a loop. Especially knowing that the watermarks were put into the paper before printing and perforating.
Watermark pictures in Scott are confusing as they seem to be given in the shape of a stamp, which is suggesting the stamp orientation. That may be deceptive.
It would help me greatly to understand the full paper preparation, watermarking and then printing and perforation process step by step.
For example, is paper typically square or rectangular itself, and should I know exactly how a particular stamp was printed on that paper (in which orientation?).?
Thanks in advance,
Leen Intveld
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re: Hungary stamps watermark 137 (Scotts)
that is correct
the watermark would be on its side, almost as if it had been leening and now fallen
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11:51:11am
re: Hungary stamps watermark 137 (Scotts)
Thanks for confirming the horizontal 137
Any suggestions regarding the British stamps, which exist in both horizontal and vertical shape in one set?
How do I determine watermark 'normal' vs. watermark sideways, for each one? (hor. vs vert.)
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re: Hungary stamps watermark 137 (Scotts)
look at the WMK in the catalogue; that will be the upright version; any change in orientation becomes the variety
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re: Hungary stamps watermark 137 (Scotts)
This image is from the Stanley Gibbons Concise catalogue, so applies to UK stamps. Similar rules apply to the various other countries around the world. The catalogues usually illustrate them at the beginning of each country.
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re: Hungary stamps watermark 137 (Scotts)
You might also want to search for the key word "watermark" in the search bar above. One thread that comes up is this https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_m ...
Which has a few good links and recommendations regarding fluid to use, and also another visual.
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04:22:15pm
re: Hungary stamps watermark 137 (Scotts)
Thanks for those very useful replies sheepshanks and amsd
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