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I picked this up online for a buck. I'm now selling it for considerably more
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Well done! Knowledge is power, eh?
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Really weird looking with the beak and the legs out there in the middle of nowhere. You must have been very excited when you saw it, great find!! My wife and I used to check stamps over very carefully and occasionally we'd find stuff. I remember we found a couple interesting Canadian varieties like that and it gives you a bit of a thrill. I know that sounds a bit "sad", but philatelists have to get a thrill somehow!! I remember finding two of the Krieghoff errors like that and also a "red sash on a robe" and a "light in a window". Can anyone name the Canada stamps I'm talking about? Yes, this is a test!!!
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"a "red sash on a robe" and a "light in a window". Can anyone name the Canada stamps I'm talking about? "
I don't know of a "red sash on a robe" variety, but that could also be another description of the "red tear on blue skirt" on the 1974 Christmas 6c Scott #650 (Unitrade 650ii)
"Light in the Window" is the 1975 Louis Hemon #659i
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Yes barains are still out there.
In addition new discoveries are out there, esp. for older stamps.
Take off the catalog binders!
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You got both Roy, I'm not sure why I call it a "sash", maybe a saw it called a slash and miss remembered! I remember finding both of these on extra stamps we had lying around, same with the stroke on the teepee (Unitrade spelling), 553i. None of these, including the Kreighoff (#610) varieties were very expensive. At least I didn't think so but 650ii lists for about $50! We also used to play around with a black light and found various dull papers, hi-brite papers, tagging varieties, etc. There was no end to the stuff you could find. It got a bit tedious after a while so I stopped. I think the official term is fly specking and even though we found some really good stuff we found a lot of crap as well - minor colour shifts, wavey tagging, dots of colour, etc. Now I don't really consider it worth keeping unless it is a constant variety on a sheet or if Unitrade gives it a number. I can understand someone getting excited if they find a previously unknown major variety though! Especially if it ends up in a catalog or a journal with your name given as the person who discovered it. That would be very cool!!!
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I do not consider shifted colors on a postage stamp an error but rather poor craftsmanship on the printers part, not paying attention to your work will produce a less than desirable product.
I do have several examples of stamps with this malady, here's one:
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Back ground of the printing process?
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Yes, in my 20s I worked at a printing shop and we always emphasized the importance of the registration marks, those little crosses on the paper selvage, to line up. Very common mistake on older machines when only one color at a time can be applied, but not so much in modern printers where all of the colors can be printed at once.
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Tony's comment about printer's workmanship brings to mind my thoughts about this when comparing the printing quality from the USA vs Japan. I've found numerous shifts like these on modern USA, some quite dramatic, but I don't think I have ever found a single example of a color shift in the thousands of Japan that I have handled, even older issues. I'm not sure if this is 100% due to worker attention to detail or if their printing processes are all one combined application of colors or maybe I haven't seen enough of the older issues? The same is true for centering.
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The problem with US modern stamps is that they are printed by private companies and some of them need their equipment updated, some samples of the flag stamps are real beauties while others hurt your eyesight, just take a look at the microprinting and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Centering doesn't have anything to do with printing, as a matter of fact every stamp is perfectly centered, it is the perforating machines that do the butchering job and again it is the operator to blame.
When I was working at the printing shop, way before the USPS rely on private contractors, we never had a chance to print postage stamps, all we did was mostly coupons for supermarkets and tickets for fast food outlets
and before the final product made it to the customer there were lots of trials and errors that naturally went straight to the waste basket, had they been postage stamps I would be rich by now by saving that waste and selling it to collectors as stamp errors.
Case and point, where was this operator when the perforating press was running?
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It's a great thread from Dave, but now I think it should be moved to a more suitable topic.
Oceania clearly has said goodbye !!
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Here's one more from NZ, 1970 10c with shifted red ribbon in the Queen's hair! I found this on the same day I found the stamp in the first post
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I can atest to that ,I found this cover can't remember if it was Delcampe or Hipstamps as I have had it a while now think it was around $8-00 including postage the two 5t birds of paradise stamps are catalogue at $75-00 each as used on cover well anybodys guess!!!.
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That's a nice cover Brian. Those Birds of Paradise were released 30 years ago, and they're still a secret to most!
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Look at my Avatar. That's a pair of my beloved Ben Franklin 1 cent stamps from the series of 1902 (Scott 300). Note the misperf, the dealer sold it to me on eBay for around $50. What he didn't see is that is 300b, the booklet pane! I'd betcha I could get a grand for the pair!
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This is New Zealand 1964 Health SG822 with the major colour shift of red (CP catalogue number CP T36a (X) ). The shift varies from 1mm to 4mm and the bigger the shift, the higher the value. It's a very uncommon item to find used.
I picked this up online for a buck. I'm now selling it for considerably more
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Well done! Knowledge is power, eh?
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Really weird looking with the beak and the legs out there in the middle of nowhere. You must have been very excited when you saw it, great find!! My wife and I used to check stamps over very carefully and occasionally we'd find stuff. I remember we found a couple interesting Canadian varieties like that and it gives you a bit of a thrill. I know that sounds a bit "sad", but philatelists have to get a thrill somehow!! I remember finding two of the Krieghoff errors like that and also a "red sash on a robe" and a "light in a window". Can anyone name the Canada stamps I'm talking about? Yes, this is a test!!!
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"a "red sash on a robe" and a "light in a window". Can anyone name the Canada stamps I'm talking about? "
I don't know of a "red sash on a robe" variety, but that could also be another description of the "red tear on blue skirt" on the 1974 Christmas 6c Scott #650 (Unitrade 650ii)
"Light in the Window" is the 1975 Louis Hemon #659i
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Yes barains are still out there.
In addition new discoveries are out there, esp. for older stamps.
Take off the catalog binders!
Research
Fun fun!
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You got both Roy, I'm not sure why I call it a "sash", maybe a saw it called a slash and miss remembered! I remember finding both of these on extra stamps we had lying around, same with the stroke on the teepee (Unitrade spelling), 553i. None of these, including the Kreighoff (#610) varieties were very expensive. At least I didn't think so but 650ii lists for about $50! We also used to play around with a black light and found various dull papers, hi-brite papers, tagging varieties, etc. There was no end to the stuff you could find. It got a bit tedious after a while so I stopped. I think the official term is fly specking and even though we found some really good stuff we found a lot of crap as well - minor colour shifts, wavey tagging, dots of colour, etc. Now I don't really consider it worth keeping unless it is a constant variety on a sheet or if Unitrade gives it a number. I can understand someone getting excited if they find a previously unknown major variety though! Especially if it ends up in a catalog or a journal with your name given as the person who discovered it. That would be very cool!!!
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I do not consider shifted colors on a postage stamp an error but rather poor craftsmanship on the printers part, not paying attention to your work will produce a less than desirable product.
I do have several examples of stamps with this malady, here's one:
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Back ground of the printing process?
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Yes, in my 20s I worked at a printing shop and we always emphasized the importance of the registration marks, those little crosses on the paper selvage, to line up. Very common mistake on older machines when only one color at a time can be applied, but not so much in modern printers where all of the colors can be printed at once.
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Tony's comment about printer's workmanship brings to mind my thoughts about this when comparing the printing quality from the USA vs Japan. I've found numerous shifts like these on modern USA, some quite dramatic, but I don't think I have ever found a single example of a color shift in the thousands of Japan that I have handled, even older issues. I'm not sure if this is 100% due to worker attention to detail or if their printing processes are all one combined application of colors or maybe I haven't seen enough of the older issues? The same is true for centering.
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The problem with US modern stamps is that they are printed by private companies and some of them need their equipment updated, some samples of the flag stamps are real beauties while others hurt your eyesight, just take a look at the microprinting and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Centering doesn't have anything to do with printing, as a matter of fact every stamp is perfectly centered, it is the perforating machines that do the butchering job and again it is the operator to blame.
When I was working at the printing shop, way before the USPS rely on private contractors, we never had a chance to print postage stamps, all we did was mostly coupons for supermarkets and tickets for fast food outlets
and before the final product made it to the customer there were lots of trials and errors that naturally went straight to the waste basket, had they been postage stamps I would be rich by now by saving that waste and selling it to collectors as stamp errors.
Case and point, where was this operator when the perforating press was running?
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It's a great thread from Dave, but now I think it should be moved to a more suitable topic.
Oceania clearly has said goodbye !!
Thanks Mods.
Londonbus1
//Moderator note: done
(Modified by Moderator on 2023-02-01 07:37:20)
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Here's one more from NZ, 1970 10c with shifted red ribbon in the Queen's hair! I found this on the same day I found the stamp in the first post
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I can atest to that ,I found this cover can't remember if it was Delcampe or Hipstamps as I have had it a while now think it was around $8-00 including postage the two 5t birds of paradise stamps are catalogue at $75-00 each as used on cover well anybodys guess!!!.
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That's a nice cover Brian. Those Birds of Paradise were released 30 years ago, and they're still a secret to most!
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Look at my Avatar. That's a pair of my beloved Ben Franklin 1 cent stamps from the series of 1902 (Scott 300). Note the misperf, the dealer sold it to me on eBay for around $50. What he didn't see is that is 300b, the booklet pane! I'd betcha I could get a grand for the pair!
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