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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Canada Large Queen Color Experts

 

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bigcreekdad
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25 Jan 2023
04:22:53pm
Unitrade choices are (none of these are perf 11 1/2):
Grey Violet
Red Lilac
Grey
Blue Grey (nope)
Slate Grey Greenish Grey (Nope)

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Also, I purchased Richard Morris' color guide for large and small queens. I spent at least 10 hours between today and yesterday reviewing all my large and small queen, especially for color. Til about tedious! To make it more tedious, Moris' colors almost never are the same as described in Unitrade. most makes me wonder if my purchase was a good idea.

The photo above I decided to run by some of the experts out there. All 4 look different. Or maybe I've been looking too long.

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Harvey

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25 Jan 2023
04:37:48pm
re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

Again, I'll make a very useless comment. I supposedly have most of the colours but, even if I was set up to do a scan, what you see on your computer screen is not what I see. Also don't forget oxidation! My colours all look different as well, but don't really look like yours. The red lilac and the grey violet in my examples seem quite obviously different from the grey, but I could be seeing what I want to see. They don't really look like what's on my colour guides but they are fairly close. All you can do is what the rest of us do - SMILE AND MAKE AN EDUCATED GUESS!! Good luck and happy collecting with the large and small queens!

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25 Jan 2023
05:41:14pm
re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

Harvey....you are no fun at all!

OK....my guesses:
UL - Moonglow purple
UP- Sandblasted slate
LL - Sorta dirty purply
LR- Geese cheesecake

Do you have the Morris guide? BTW, your comment isn't useless.

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1898

25 Jan 2023
05:43:06pm
re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

Are all these the same basic catalog number?

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25 Jan 2023
06:05:41pm
re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

No...several

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Harvey

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25 Jan 2023
06:25:32pm
re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

"Are all these the same basic catalog number?"


There are four colour varieties of #29 Grey violet and at least 12 major(?) varieties in total and basically the same for #30 grey. It actually says in Unitrade #30 15 cent grey (many shades) and then lists 12 varieties. If you had the money and patience you could collect nothing but the Canada small and large Queens. I think you'd be nothing more than a quivering mass of jelly if you tried!!
When I first started collecting Canada about 50+ years ago I saw all the listed varieties in Scott's and thought something like this: "What kind of moron would try to collect all of this crap?". I never really made a conscious effort to do so but after a while they sort of build up - almost like a fungus!! I try as much as possible to stay away from subtle colour shades because they can just as easily be caused by fading or oxidation. But you end up accumulating them anyway and you make your most educated guess as to what they are. That's all you can really do, that, and try to have fun doing it!!

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cathotel

25 Jan 2023
07:20:13pm
re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

Harvey's comment about the unreliability of presuming that the colour I view on my computer screen is identical to the colour you see on your computer screen (or the stamp in your tongs) is the ruling consideration. I also try to collect varieties of the large and small queens, and from what I see in your image I likely would identify as (upper left): #29 (gray violet) and the other three as #30 (gray, many shades). I do not anticipate that oxidation or some similar consideration would have significantly altered these issues over the decades, but I see nothing to clearly suggest any of the other varieties identified strictly by shade differences. No certificates from me!!--just my opinion as a Canadian collector.

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Harvey

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25 Jan 2023
07:25:38pm
re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

"just my opinion as a Canadian collector."


I've picked up some great stuff from Thomas over the last couple years and his opinion is certainly to be trusted!!

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1898

25 Jan 2023
08:07:55pm
re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

Perhaps I should have asked instead, are these stamps in question from the same transfer roll?

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Harvey

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25 Jan 2023
10:00:46pm
re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

"are these stamps in question from the same transfer roll?"


My guess would be no. I wouldn't expect that to happen with colour shades, only with varieties. Also if that were the case you'd expect to see it mentioned that there would be examples of different colours existing on different parts of the same group of stamps. But maybe I don't understand the process properly.
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26 Jan 2023
08:46:43am
re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

No comments on the Morris color guide?

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Harvey

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27 Jan 2023
10:36:39pm
re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

I just picked up a really nice copy of 28a with the Bothwell watermark from my regular stamp dealer. Some of the perfs were a bit short because some clown cut them from the sheet with scissors so I only had to pay $75. I have several of this variety in that Queen series. I looked up the couple I'm missing on E-Bay! Real scary, their prices tend to be well over catalog. Actually most of the small and large Queens varieties tend to be very expensive! Too bad! I think I'm going to have to depend on luck if I want to get many more.

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bigcreekdad

25 Jan 2023
04:22:53pm

Unitrade choices are (none of these are perf 11 1/2):
Grey Violet
Red Lilac
Grey
Blue Grey (nope)
Slate Grey Greenish Grey (Nope)

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Also, I purchased Richard Morris' color guide for large and small queens. I spent at least 10 hours between today and yesterday reviewing all my large and small queen, especially for color. Til about tedious! To make it more tedious, Moris' colors almost never are the same as described in Unitrade. most makes me wonder if my purchase was a good idea.

The photo above I decided to run by some of the experts out there. All 4 look different. Or maybe I've been looking too long.

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Harvey

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25 Jan 2023
04:37:48pm

re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

Again, I'll make a very useless comment. I supposedly have most of the colours but, even if I was set up to do a scan, what you see on your computer screen is not what I see. Also don't forget oxidation! My colours all look different as well, but don't really look like yours. The red lilac and the grey violet in my examples seem quite obviously different from the grey, but I could be seeing what I want to see. They don't really look like what's on my colour guides but they are fairly close. All you can do is what the rest of us do - SMILE AND MAKE AN EDUCATED GUESS!! Good luck and happy collecting with the large and small queens!

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25 Jan 2023
05:41:14pm

re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

Harvey....you are no fun at all!

OK....my guesses:
UL - Moonglow purple
UP- Sandblasted slate
LL - Sorta dirty purply
LR- Geese cheesecake

Do you have the Morris guide? BTW, your comment isn't useless.

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1898

25 Jan 2023
05:43:06pm

re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

Are all these the same basic catalog number?

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bigcreekdad

25 Jan 2023
06:05:41pm

re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

No...several

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Harvey

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25 Jan 2023
06:25:32pm

re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

"Are all these the same basic catalog number?"


There are four colour varieties of #29 Grey violet and at least 12 major(?) varieties in total and basically the same for #30 grey. It actually says in Unitrade #30 15 cent grey (many shades) and then lists 12 varieties. If you had the money and patience you could collect nothing but the Canada small and large Queens. I think you'd be nothing more than a quivering mass of jelly if you tried!!
When I first started collecting Canada about 50+ years ago I saw all the listed varieties in Scott's and thought something like this: "What kind of moron would try to collect all of this crap?". I never really made a conscious effort to do so but after a while they sort of build up - almost like a fungus!! I try as much as possible to stay away from subtle colour shades because they can just as easily be caused by fading or oxidation. But you end up accumulating them anyway and you make your most educated guess as to what they are. That's all you can really do, that, and try to have fun doing it!!

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cathotel

25 Jan 2023
07:20:13pm

re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

Harvey's comment about the unreliability of presuming that the colour I view on my computer screen is identical to the colour you see on your computer screen (or the stamp in your tongs) is the ruling consideration. I also try to collect varieties of the large and small queens, and from what I see in your image I likely would identify as (upper left): #29 (gray violet) and the other three as #30 (gray, many shades). I do not anticipate that oxidation or some similar consideration would have significantly altered these issues over the decades, but I see nothing to clearly suggest any of the other varieties identified strictly by shade differences. No certificates from me!!--just my opinion as a Canadian collector.

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Harvey

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25 Jan 2023
07:25:38pm

re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

"just my opinion as a Canadian collector."


I've picked up some great stuff from Thomas over the last couple years and his opinion is certainly to be trusted!!

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1898

25 Jan 2023
08:07:55pm

re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

Perhaps I should have asked instead, are these stamps in question from the same transfer roll?

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Harvey

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25 Jan 2023
10:00:46pm

re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

"are these stamps in question from the same transfer roll?"


My guess would be no. I wouldn't expect that to happen with colour shades, only with varieties. Also if that were the case you'd expect to see it mentioned that there would be examples of different colours existing on different parts of the same group of stamps. But maybe I don't understand the process properly.
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26 Jan 2023
08:46:43am

re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

No comments on the Morris color guide?

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Harvey

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27 Jan 2023
10:36:39pm

re: Canada Large Queen Color Experts

I just picked up a really nice copy of 28a with the Bothwell watermark from my regular stamp dealer. Some of the perfs were a bit short because some clown cut them from the sheet with scissors so I only had to pay $75. I have several of this variety in that Queen series. I looked up the couple I'm missing on E-Bay! Real scary, their prices tend to be well over catalog. Actually most of the small and large Queens varieties tend to be very expensive! Too bad! I think I'm going to have to depend on luck if I want to get many more.

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