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Europe/Other : Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?

 

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joshtanski
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16 Jan 2023
10:58:53am
Are the old Austrian definitives that have the varnish bars on the face soakable? I'm sorting through some envelopes from an old collection and I'd like to get rid of old gum traces and hinge remnants on the used ones for preservation and appearance of the old stamps, they are curling.

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Calstamp

16 Jan 2023
11:23:53am
re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?


If you’re referring to Franz Josef 1901 and 1904 series, the answer is “yes”.

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16 Jan 2023
11:35:58am
re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?

Awesome, thanks.

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Calstamp

16 Jan 2023
01:09:23pm
re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?

The 1901 and 1904 series each include two perf varieties: 13 x 12.5 (line?) and 13 x 13.5 (comb).

There's a 1905 series (value colors similar to 1904 series) without varnish bars.

Believe all were produced on thin, granite paper. Even after "cleaning", many of the issues (in my collection) had a tendency to "curl". Resolved by use of mounts.

There's an informative article re use of varnish bars on the Franz Josef issues on the Austrian Philatelic Society website.

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karelm

05 Feb 2023
08:06:35pm
re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?

The Austrian stamps that curl up into a little cylinder (mainly the early edition of the 1890's issue on thin transparent paper) can be straightened up by soaking them in a water solution with "Pancreatin" in it. I tend to leave them in overnight, then brush them lightly to ensure clue etc have been removed and then soak them again in clear water for 2 hrs before drying them. The Pancreatin solution is 1 crushed tablet in 125 mls of water. Got the Lindberg Pancreatin online. PS the solution also tends to clean the stamps nicely as I think it works by dissolving fats

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Jack

06 Feb 2023
08:32:50am
re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?

I had never run into this kind of paper or treatment till about a week ago. I was moving some stamps from one Scott International Part I to my main Big Blue. When I soaked the stamps (kind of standard practice for me), I saw these diagonal bars. Initially I thought it was some kind of glue on the front surface but when it did not come off and fluoresced under UV, I knew it was something I had not run into. I found it by googling but I was glad to see the discussion here.

I also ran into the ones that curl into a tight cylinder! That was challenging.

Images below show first front and back of washed and flattened (pressed) stamps, some with varnish bars and some not that run diagonally. The bottom photos are of one of the super curling types. Even after soaking for a long time, the back side looks like it still has glue but I concluded the paper may be something like super calendared and is about a thin a paper as I have run into -- 1 mil. I did have to put the curly ones in mounts.

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Super curling type (1890)

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The curly one alone

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06 Feb 2023
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Excellent work with the images. Kudos!

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joshtanski

16 Jan 2023
10:58:53am

Are the old Austrian definitives that have the varnish bars on the face soakable? I'm sorting through some envelopes from an old collection and I'd like to get rid of old gum traces and hinge remnants on the used ones for preservation and appearance of the old stamps, they are curling.

Thanks,
Josh

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Calstamp

16 Jan 2023
11:23:53am

re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?


If you’re referring to Franz Josef 1901 and 1904 series, the answer is “yes”.

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16 Jan 2023
11:35:58am

re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?

Awesome, thanks.

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Calstamp

16 Jan 2023
01:09:23pm

re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?

The 1901 and 1904 series each include two perf varieties: 13 x 12.5 (line?) and 13 x 13.5 (comb).

There's a 1905 series (value colors similar to 1904 series) without varnish bars.

Believe all were produced on thin, granite paper. Even after "cleaning", many of the issues (in my collection) had a tendency to "curl". Resolved by use of mounts.

There's an informative article re use of varnish bars on the Franz Josef issues on the Austrian Philatelic Society website.

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karelm

05 Feb 2023
08:06:35pm

re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?

The Austrian stamps that curl up into a little cylinder (mainly the early edition of the 1890's issue on thin transparent paper) can be straightened up by soaking them in a water solution with "Pancreatin" in it. I tend to leave them in overnight, then brush them lightly to ensure clue etc have been removed and then soak them again in clear water for 2 hrs before drying them. The Pancreatin solution is 1 crushed tablet in 125 mls of water. Got the Lindberg Pancreatin online. PS the solution also tends to clean the stamps nicely as I think it works by dissolving fats

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Jack
06 Feb 2023
08:32:50am

re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?

I had never run into this kind of paper or treatment till about a week ago. I was moving some stamps from one Scott International Part I to my main Big Blue. When I soaked the stamps (kind of standard practice for me), I saw these diagonal bars. Initially I thought it was some kind of glue on the front surface but when it did not come off and fluoresced under UV, I knew it was something I had not run into. I found it by googling but I was glad to see the discussion here.

I also ran into the ones that curl into a tight cylinder! That was challenging.

Images below show first front and back of washed and flattened (pressed) stamps, some with varnish bars and some not that run diagonally. The bottom photos are of one of the super curling types. Even after soaking for a long time, the back side looks like it still has glue but I concluded the paper may be something like super calendared and is about a thin a paper as I have run into -- 1 mil. I did have to put the curly ones in mounts.

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Super curling type (1890)

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Mounted

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The curly one alone

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re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?

Excellent work with the images. Kudos!

Roy

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