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If you’re referring to Franz Josef 1901 and 1904 series, the answer is “yes”.
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The 1901 and 1904 series each include two perf varieties: 13 x 12.5 (line?) and 13 x 13.5 (comb).
There's a 1905 series (value colors similar to 1904 series) without varnish bars.
Believe all were produced on thin, granite paper. Even after "cleaning", many of the issues (in my collection) had a tendency to "curl". Resolved by use of mounts.
There's an informative article re use of varnish bars on the Franz Josef issues on the Austrian Philatelic Society website.
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The Austrian stamps that curl up into a little cylinder (mainly the early edition of the 1890's issue on thin transparent paper) can be straightened up by soaking them in a water solution with "Pancreatin" in it. I tend to leave them in overnight, then brush them lightly to ensure clue etc have been removed and then soak them again in clear water for 2 hrs before drying them. The Pancreatin solution is 1 crushed tablet in 125 mls of water. Got the Lindberg Pancreatin online. PS the solution also tends to clean the stamps nicely as I think it works by dissolving fats
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I had never run into this kind of paper or treatment till about a week ago. I was moving some stamps from one Scott International Part I to my main Big Blue. When I soaked the stamps (kind of standard practice for me), I saw these diagonal bars. Initially I thought it was some kind of glue on the front surface but when it did not come off and fluoresced under UV, I knew it was something I had not run into. I found it by googling but I was glad to see the discussion here.
I also ran into the ones that curl into a tight cylinder! That was challenging.
Images below show first front and back of washed and flattened (pressed) stamps, some with varnish bars and some not that run diagonally. The bottom photos are of one of the super curling types. Even after soaking for a long time, the back side looks like it still has glue but I concluded the paper may be something like super calendared and is about a thin a paper as I have run into -- 1 mil. I did have to put the curly ones in mounts.
Super curling type (1890)
Mounted
The curly one alone
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Excellent work with the images. Kudos!
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Hi -
Not too often, but sometimes the varnish bars take a toll on the face of the stamp. There are differences between the varnish bars as well. Several Franz Josef sets had them.
Further, best of luck on the curling and the gum stating on the back. I have had 100s and 100s of them like that. Fortunately, not many died in the soaking / drying process. I'll have to check out the remedy posted above about removing the old gluepot gum myself.
These are a very tricky multiple sets of stamps and I posted a message just now about the same kind of question. I can talk more on them if you wish, because they are one of my collecting areas. So, don't be shy about questions. I may be able to answer some and may get some help myself.
Between the varnish / no varnish, perfs, gum and other sordid things about these stamps, they seem to have an appeal along with the revenues of that same time period.
No doubt it'll take me months to go through them and perf them. Time to get off the computer, however...
BTW, Austria seemed quite paranoid from the beginning until much later about someone forging their stamps - hence all the tricks to keep said forger on the run because they covered Hungary, Czechoslovakia, parts of Ukraine even Galicia, let alone south of the Tyrol into Italy and over to Trieste. Sheesh... Try to postmark them as well and one could fill volumes with the differences.
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Are the old Austrian definitives that have the varnish bars on the face soakable? I'm sorting through some envelopes from an old collection and I'd like to get rid of old gum traces and hinge remnants on the used ones for preservation and appearance of the old stamps, they are curling.
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11:23:53am
re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?
If you’re referring to Franz Josef 1901 and 1904 series, the answer is “yes”.
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re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?
The 1901 and 1904 series each include two perf varieties: 13 x 12.5 (line?) and 13 x 13.5 (comb).
There's a 1905 series (value colors similar to 1904 series) without varnish bars.
Believe all were produced on thin, granite paper. Even after "cleaning", many of the issues (in my collection) had a tendency to "curl". Resolved by use of mounts.
There's an informative article re use of varnish bars on the Franz Josef issues on the Austrian Philatelic Society website.
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re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?
The Austrian stamps that curl up into a little cylinder (mainly the early edition of the 1890's issue on thin transparent paper) can be straightened up by soaking them in a water solution with "Pancreatin" in it. I tend to leave them in overnight, then brush them lightly to ensure clue etc have been removed and then soak them again in clear water for 2 hrs before drying them. The Pancreatin solution is 1 crushed tablet in 125 mls of water. Got the Lindberg Pancreatin online. PS the solution also tends to clean the stamps nicely as I think it works by dissolving fats
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re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?
I had never run into this kind of paper or treatment till about a week ago. I was moving some stamps from one Scott International Part I to my main Big Blue. When I soaked the stamps (kind of standard practice for me), I saw these diagonal bars. Initially I thought it was some kind of glue on the front surface but when it did not come off and fluoresced under UV, I knew it was something I had not run into. I found it by googling but I was glad to see the discussion here.
I also ran into the ones that curl into a tight cylinder! That was challenging.
Images below show first front and back of washed and flattened (pressed) stamps, some with varnish bars and some not that run diagonally. The bottom photos are of one of the super curling types. Even after soaking for a long time, the back side looks like it still has glue but I concluded the paper may be something like super calendared and is about a thin a paper as I have run into -- 1 mil. I did have to put the curly ones in mounts.
Super curling type (1890)
Mounted
The curly one alone
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re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?
Excellent work with the images. Kudos!
Roy
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re: Austria - old definitives with varnish bars soakable?
Hi -
Not too often, but sometimes the varnish bars take a toll on the face of the stamp. There are differences between the varnish bars as well. Several Franz Josef sets had them.
Further, best of luck on the curling and the gum stating on the back. I have had 100s and 100s of them like that. Fortunately, not many died in the soaking / drying process. I'll have to check out the remedy posted above about removing the old gluepot gum myself.
These are a very tricky multiple sets of stamps and I posted a message just now about the same kind of question. I can talk more on them if you wish, because they are one of my collecting areas. So, don't be shy about questions. I may be able to answer some and may get some help myself.
Between the varnish / no varnish, perfs, gum and other sordid things about these stamps, they seem to have an appeal along with the revenues of that same time period.
No doubt it'll take me months to go through them and perf them. Time to get off the computer, however...
BTW, Austria seemed quite paranoid from the beginning until much later about someone forging their stamps - hence all the tricks to keep said forger on the run because they covered Hungary, Czechoslovakia, parts of Ukraine even Galicia, let alone south of the Tyrol into Italy and over to Trieste. Sheesh... Try to postmark them as well and one could fill volumes with the differences.
Tracy
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