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However, it does have to do with stamps.....
ABKLATSCH
"Abklatsch" is the name for a mirrored print or imprint of the stamp image (or a part of it) on the back of the stamp.
The creation thus takes place as an imprint of the original stamp image on the back (gom side) of the stamp.
The "Abklatsch" can occur in two ways:
1) The set-off occurs when the printing press is idling.
As a result, the stamp image is not printed on the paper but on the printing body, e.g. the counter roller.
If paper is then inserted again, a mirror image of the stamp is created on the back.
2) If freshly printed sheets are placed on top of each other, a set-off can also occur.
However, this is usually not as clear as in the first case.
A few examples from "Abklatsch" on German Stamps :
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DR 182
DR 246
DR 279a
DR 279a certificate
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DR 292
DR 296
DR309B
DR309B certificate
DR312B HAN nr
DR312 HAN nr certificate
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DR 325B
DR 329
DR 334B
DR 339 Pa UR
DR 339 Pa UR certificate
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DR D159
DR FELDPOST 1
LOKAL AUSGABEN Strausberg 361
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Michelnr 80
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09:53:10am
"The next topic has nothing really to do with Germany except that it's a German expression that I can't translate.
However, it does have to do with stamps.....
ABKLATSCH
"Abklatsch" is the name for a mirrored print or imprint of the stamp image (or a part of it) on the back of the stamp."
The English philatelic translation would be "offset".
From "The Stamp Collector's Encyclopaedia" by R.J. Sutton
"Set-off" may be a more British term. I have never heard it used here in North America.
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Michelnr 25
Michelnr 179
Michelnr 219
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BRD 78
BRD 164
BRD 296
BRD 311
BRD 831
BRD Block 3
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DANZIG
Michel nr 54
Michel nr 54
YEP same stamp, different "Abklatsch"
Michelnr 141
Michelnr D 38
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"Set-off" is more commonly seen in Europe, though I've seen the term used in "older" American publications. I have seen the term "Abklatsch" but never really thought about it -- simply knew it to mean something along the lines of "copy."
"Klatsch" itself translates into "gossip," which, if we think about it, means "retelling," thus a copy of a story is being passed on, as in a "Coffee Klat(s)ch" or "Kaffeeklatsch."
"Ab" in this case translates into "of" or "from."
"Briefmarke Ablatsch" loosely translates into "copy of stamp" or "poor copy of stamp."
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12:33:26pm
Very interesting post!! It certainly explains how what I have been calling "full offset copies" of stamps came into existence. I have a couple I've got from SOR people and actually did a short post a week or so ago to see if anyone could explain how they came about, now I know! Thanks!!
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Allied Occupation, Germany 1948 (British American Zone) Michel 47 II.
In the Michel catalog, many varieties of overprint are mentioned under the heading "Abarten" (double.vertical, diagonal, etc.), but not "Abklatsch" - the same situation for all the other stamps posted in this thread.
Why are they not mentioned? (I also saw the experts' certificates confirming this variety)
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Dear Gerom,
In the Michel catalogus under chapter "Double prints" page 8 :
The so-called double or multiple image printing occurs only in offset.
This looks similar to the real double print, but has a completely different cause.
The apparently existing second print is created when the rubber blankets stretch, form a bead when not tightened and transfer a ghost image.
This is a particularly pronounced so-called Schmitz pressure.
Until 1992, only those with a mostly distinct second contour were signed as double-image prints.
Since double-image prints are print coincidences, they are no longer listed in the Michel Germany catalogue.
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Hi HockeyNut,
Thank you for the explanation of the occurrence of double printing - this appears on the front of the stamp (there are many explanations from the Michel catalog that I did not manage to translate)
My Michel 47 stamp shows the so-called set-off (Abklatsch).
Many variations of the overprint are mentioned in the catalog:
I wonder why Abklatsch (set off) does not appear in the list; it is a mistake as strange as the diagonal overprint, upside down, one normal and one diagonal, etc.
And even for the stamps you posted, this variety is not mentioned in the catalog
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The next topic has nothing really to do with Germany except that it's a German expression that I can't translate.
However, it does have to do with stamps.....
ABKLATSCH
"Abklatsch" is the name for a mirrored print or imprint of the stamp image (or a part of it) on the back of the stamp.
The creation thus takes place as an imprint of the original stamp image on the back (gom side) of the stamp.
The "Abklatsch" can occur in two ways:
1) The set-off occurs when the printing press is idling.
As a result, the stamp image is not printed on the paper but on the printing body, e.g. the counter roller.
If paper is then inserted again, a mirror image of the stamp is created on the back.
2) If freshly printed sheets are placed on top of each other, a set-off can also occur.
However, this is usually not as clear as in the first case.
A few examples from "Abklatsch" on German Stamps :
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German Empire :
DR 182
DR 246
DR 279a
DR 279a certificate
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DR 292
DR 296
DR309B
DR309B certificate
DR312B HAN nr
DR312 HAN nr certificate
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DR 325B
DR 329
DR 334B
DR 339 Pa UR
DR 339 Pa UR certificate
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DR D159
DR FELDPOST 1
LOKAL AUSGABEN Strausberg 361
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re: The expression "Abklatsch"
"The next topic has nothing really to do with Germany except that it's a German expression that I can't translate.
However, it does have to do with stamps.....
ABKLATSCH
"Abklatsch" is the name for a mirrored print or imprint of the stamp image (or a part of it) on the back of the stamp."
The English philatelic translation would be "offset".
From "The Stamp Collector's Encyclopaedia" by R.J. Sutton
"Set-off" may be a more British term. I have never heard it used here in North America.
Roy
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BRD 78
BRD 164
BRD 296
BRD 311
BRD 831
BRD Block 3
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DANZIG
Michel nr 54
Michel nr 54
YEP same stamp, different "Abklatsch"
Michelnr 141
Michelnr D 38
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Well, hopefully you found this interesting........
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re: The expression "Abklatsch"
"Set-off" is more commonly seen in Europe, though I've seen the term used in "older" American publications. I have seen the term "Abklatsch" but never really thought about it -- simply knew it to mean something along the lines of "copy."
"Klatsch" itself translates into "gossip," which, if we think about it, means "retelling," thus a copy of a story is being passed on, as in a "Coffee Klat(s)ch" or "Kaffeeklatsch."
"Ab" in this case translates into "of" or "from."
"Briefmarke Ablatsch" loosely translates into "copy of stamp" or "poor copy of stamp."
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12:33:26pm
re: The expression "Abklatsch"
Very interesting post!! It certainly explains how what I have been calling "full offset copies" of stamps came into existence. I have a couple I've got from SOR people and actually did a short post a week or so ago to see if anyone could explain how they came about, now I know! Thanks!!
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04:48:46am
re: The expression "Abklatsch"
Thanks for these beautiful posts.
Allied Occupation, Germany 1948 (British American Zone) Michel 47 II.
In the Michel catalog, many varieties of overprint are mentioned under the heading "Abarten" (double.vertical, diagonal, etc.), but not "Abklatsch" - the same situation for all the other stamps posted in this thread.
Why are they not mentioned? (I also saw the experts' certificates confirming this variety)
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Dear Gerom,
In the Michel catalogus under chapter "Double prints" page 8 :
The so-called double or multiple image printing occurs only in offset.
This looks similar to the real double print, but has a completely different cause.
The apparently existing second print is created when the rubber blankets stretch, form a bead when not tightened and transfer a ghost image.
This is a particularly pronounced so-called Schmitz pressure.
Until 1992, only those with a mostly distinct second contour were signed as double-image prints.
Since double-image prints are print coincidences, they are no longer listed in the Michel Germany catalogue.
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Hi HockeyNut,
Thank you for the explanation of the occurrence of double printing - this appears on the front of the stamp (there are many explanations from the Michel catalog that I did not manage to translate)
My Michel 47 stamp shows the so-called set-off (Abklatsch).
Many variations of the overprint are mentioned in the catalog:
I wonder why Abklatsch (set off) does not appear in the list; it is a mistake as strange as the diagonal overprint, upside down, one normal and one diagonal, etc.
And even for the stamps you posted, this variety is not mentioned in the catalog
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