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Try Norway, right at the beginning
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Yup, Norway Scott # 1
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Looks like a nice copy, too!
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Yes. A very fine 4 margin copy indeed
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Was this stamp printed by itself? why such a wide margins?
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I thought the margins looked a bit too wide as well, but didn't want to say anything since I know so little about early imperforate Norway stamps. I'm really confused about where the other stamps on the sheet could be with margins as wide as this. But I really don't know what these sheets would look like. Were there any later souvenir sheets that this could have been cut from?
I just checked pictures of Norway #1 online and a lot of them do seem to have large margins so maybe the sheets were set up with large distances between stamps. You'd need to see a pair to be sure.
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" I'm really confused about where the other stamps on the sheet could be with margins as wide as this"
I asked myself the same question.
I do have several stamps from that era and everyone of them with a wide margin shows a fraction of the next stamp.
Most of the imperforate stamps had a spacing of 1.5 to 2 mm between stamps and unless the stamp came from the top, bottom, left or right edge of the sheet, only one, maybe two, wider than normal margin should be on any stamp.
How's the watermark?
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Anything Number One in this hobby is suspicious. I'll check for a watermark.
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The thing that really bothers me is if someone was going to go to all the trouble to manufacture a fake why would they be so stupid that they gave the stamp such big margins? I have quite a few imperforate stamps from several countries (not Norway) and none of them have margins as large as that one. Surely that would be the dumbest thing they could do!! I found a strip of this stamp on cover with large margins that was supposedly a fake ( https://www.ebay.ca/itm/115506569097 ). There are quite a few others on ebay with large margins and quite a few with regular ones and several in the middle (search Norway stamp #1), none of which are called fake! So your guess is as good as mine, but obviously there are fakes out there!
Edit: I finally checked Scott's. #1 was reprinted in 1914 and 1924 unwatermaked so I guess that, as Tony suggests, is the key.
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In regards to the margins, they are "normal." Typical cancel, too -- they can be a lot heavier, this is a nice light one!
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Here's the back in the wmk tray. Kinda hard to to see it. Thoughts?
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Wow - nice NICE margins!
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My 2-cent opinion;
1. I do see a probable #159 watermark
2. This is a commonly used cancel, as stated
3. FULL margins for this stamp measure up to 1¾mm - what does yours measure?
If number 3. above stands up to the test, then I would consider it genuine.
All this being said, let me add this to the mix -
I have never been sold on the school of thought in stamp collecting to always assume a forgery.
This is like saying 'guilty until proven innocent'.....seems backwards to me.
I prefer to assume genuine until proven otherwise after using known facts/details.
Maybe just a matter of semantics on my part....I do tend to be a glass half full kind of guy.
(...after all, I do root for the Tigers....)
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The Tigers??? When I was a kid I would go to sleep with a transistor radio in my ear listening to the Tiger game.....great teams....Norm Cash, Rocky Colivito, Etc. Went to several games with my dad. I was in college when they came from a 3-1 deficit to win against the Cards in the World Series of '68......awesome series.
BTW...I'm a half empty guy.
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My dad was a big Al Kaline fan, so much so that I collected Al's cards in my teens back in the early-mid 80's. Neither of us have any connection to Detroit, either, both from Chicago! My first Kaline card was the '57!
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Top Margin measures 1.75mm
Bottom margin measures 2.00mm
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Could bottom margin possibly be end of sheet?
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Could be Minuteman. I lookedd online at many of this 4k #1 for sale. (ie Jay Smith and Associates, and Corinphila Auctions).I see many with margins that appear to exceed the one I have. Where did you get the measurements you gave us above?
Even if genuine, this stamp might get you and your wife a good dinner out, so why would this be such a great forgery target. Finally, the stamp itself and the cancel look pretty good as is. Why would a forger take such lengths in that regard, and not take on the simple task of cutting the borders to be within designed measurements?
I'm reasonably comfortable this is genuine.
I was a CPA/auditor for 30+ years....we had a term "professional skepticism"....we approached every single audit with that mindset in the forefront. I say this only to say my background is not mindless acceptance.
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That being said. Does anyone know that Al Kaline jacked one out, literally, of Tiger Stadium? Good Lerd!
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Actually, Kaline never hit one out - but Norm Cash did...4 times!!
Other Tigers to do so we're Kirk Gibson, Jason Thompson and Cecil Fielder.
But only Cash hit more than one.
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Norm Crash! Geez but those were fun times.
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I agree....great times!
And a bunch of great ballplayers on that team during the late 60s to early 70s.
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Thought it might be Sweden, but don't see it in Scott.
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Try Norway, right at the beginning
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Yup, Norway Scott # 1
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Looks like a nice copy, too!
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Yes. A very fine 4 margin copy indeed
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Was this stamp printed by itself? why such a wide margins?
http://stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps- ...
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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
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I thought the margins looked a bit too wide as well, but didn't want to say anything since I know so little about early imperforate Norway stamps. I'm really confused about where the other stamps on the sheet could be with margins as wide as this. But I really don't know what these sheets would look like. Were there any later souvenir sheets that this could have been cut from?
I just checked pictures of Norway #1 online and a lot of them do seem to have large margins so maybe the sheets were set up with large distances between stamps. You'd need to see a pair to be sure.
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" I'm really confused about where the other stamps on the sheet could be with margins as wide as this"
I asked myself the same question.
I do have several stamps from that era and everyone of them with a wide margin shows a fraction of the next stamp.
Most of the imperforate stamps had a spacing of 1.5 to 2 mm between stamps and unless the stamp came from the top, bottom, left or right edge of the sheet, only one, maybe two, wider than normal margin should be on any stamp.
How's the watermark?
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Anything Number One in this hobby is suspicious. I'll check for a watermark.
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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
13 Jan 2023
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The thing that really bothers me is if someone was going to go to all the trouble to manufacture a fake why would they be so stupid that they gave the stamp such big margins? I have quite a few imperforate stamps from several countries (not Norway) and none of them have margins as large as that one. Surely that would be the dumbest thing they could do!! I found a strip of this stamp on cover with large margins that was supposedly a fake ( https://www.ebay.ca/itm/115506569097 ). There are quite a few others on ebay with large margins and quite a few with regular ones and several in the middle (search Norway stamp #1), none of which are called fake! So your guess is as good as mine, but obviously there are fakes out there!
Edit: I finally checked Scott's. #1 was reprinted in 1914 and 1924 unwatermaked so I guess that, as Tony suggests, is the key.
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In regards to the margins, they are "normal." Typical cancel, too -- they can be a lot heavier, this is a nice light one!
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Here's the back in the wmk tray. Kinda hard to to see it. Thoughts?
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Wow - nice NICE margins!
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My 2-cent opinion;
1. I do see a probable #159 watermark
2. This is a commonly used cancel, as stated
3. FULL margins for this stamp measure up to 1¾mm - what does yours measure?
If number 3. above stands up to the test, then I would consider it genuine.
All this being said, let me add this to the mix -
I have never been sold on the school of thought in stamp collecting to always assume a forgery.
This is like saying 'guilty until proven innocent'.....seems backwards to me.
I prefer to assume genuine until proven otherwise after using known facts/details.
Maybe just a matter of semantics on my part....I do tend to be a glass half full kind of guy.
(...after all, I do root for the Tigers....)
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The Tigers??? When I was a kid I would go to sleep with a transistor radio in my ear listening to the Tiger game.....great teams....Norm Cash, Rocky Colivito, Etc. Went to several games with my dad. I was in college when they came from a 3-1 deficit to win against the Cards in the World Series of '68......awesome series.
BTW...I'm a half empty guy.
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My dad was a big Al Kaline fan, so much so that I collected Al's cards in my teens back in the early-mid 80's. Neither of us have any connection to Detroit, either, both from Chicago! My first Kaline card was the '57!
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Top Margin measures 1.75mm
Bottom margin measures 2.00mm
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Could bottom margin possibly be end of sheet?
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Could be Minuteman. I lookedd online at many of this 4k #1 for sale. (ie Jay Smith and Associates, and Corinphila Auctions).I see many with margins that appear to exceed the one I have. Where did you get the measurements you gave us above?
Even if genuine, this stamp might get you and your wife a good dinner out, so why would this be such a great forgery target. Finally, the stamp itself and the cancel look pretty good as is. Why would a forger take such lengths in that regard, and not take on the simple task of cutting the borders to be within designed measurements?
I'm reasonably comfortable this is genuine.
I was a CPA/auditor for 30+ years....we had a term "professional skepticism"....we approached every single audit with that mindset in the forefront. I say this only to say my background is not mindless acceptance.
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That being said. Does anyone know that Al Kaline jacked one out, literally, of Tiger Stadium? Good Lerd!
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Actually, Kaline never hit one out - but Norm Cash did...4 times!!
Other Tigers to do so we're Kirk Gibson, Jason Thompson and Cecil Fielder.
But only Cash hit more than one.
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Norm Crash! Geez but those were fun times.
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I agree....great times!
And a bunch of great ballplayers on that team during the late 60s to early 70s.
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