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When collecting and recording the red Venetian 1d Victorian stamps how do you record the stamps according to the lettering? I see some dealers looking at the corner letter AB top BA bottom BA and AB and recording them opposite .
If my stamp is AB--BA on the top and BA--AB on the bottom which stamp in the set should it be ?
Is it of row A or row B?
Can someone clarify this please?
Thanking you in advance
Cheryl
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Hi Cheryl, check our penny black page, they follow this same order, use the lower letters.
Edit to add a link to the page.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_pe ...
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08:43:06pm
The bottom letters determine the position in the plate. The top are simply reversed.
But I have a question: Why do you call them "Venetian"? That's a new one on me.
Roy
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Thankyou Victor
Lower letters
are the clues All the best in 2023
Cheryl
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Roy
I referred to the stamps as Venetian red due to their colour.
It separates them from penny reds. Why? Not sure but that was the info that I discovered
when researching the stamps that I had found in my stock box.
Maybe someone else can add more correct information...I`m no expert
just a collector. Happy New Year!!!
Cheryl
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09:11:46pm
Had to ask because I have never heard it before. Gibbons lists only "rose-red" and "lake-red", while Scott adds "brick red".
(This coming Easter marks my 62nd year collecting stamps --- coincides with my spending 3 months in hospital after getting hit by a car as a kid!)
Roy
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It just proves that we can always learn something new or that technology is always changing the language lol
All the best in 2023, your 63 rd year . Cheryl
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Hi 2010ccg
My Gibbons Concise 1987 describes the 1d and the 1.5d of 1880-81 as Venetian red - I was quite taken with this description and have bought the issue partly because of it. It's my first foray into the QV issues of GB.
I haven't got the Gibbons QV specialised catalogue, so I don't know how the colour is described there. But Venetian red sounds very attractive to me! The only trouble is the postmarks, at the level I can afford, are very heavy and obliterate a lot of the stamp.
Heigh ho! Neville
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The stamp in question is Scott 80, described as Red Brown. SG is 167 described as Venetian Red. Not the original penny red from the penny black plate with only lower letters or the subsequent issue with letters in all corners.
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07:10:31pm
"The stamp in question is Scott 80"
Actually, the 1d referred to in the original post is Scott #79 (80 is the 1 1/2d), but thank you, that clears up the confusion.
We early responders, in the absence of picture or catalog number, gravitated to thinking the reference was to the more written-about line engraved 1d, Scott #33, with the reversed letters at the top replacing the stars of the earlier issues:
rather than the 1880 surface printed issue:
The same lettering rule applies for both, but I have to admit that I almost never think about the surface printed issues, so missed the significance of the reference to color only.
Roy
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Thanks Roy, my error. I shall go and admonish myself with 40 lashes.
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08:51:35pm
"admonish myself with 40 lashes"
As we used to say as kids: "With a wet noodle".
Roy
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07:48:20pm
Happy New Year . I have a question
When collecting and recording the red Venetian 1d Victorian stamps how do you record the stamps according to the lettering? I see some dealers looking at the corner letter AB top BA bottom BA and AB and recording them opposite .
If my stamp is AB--BA on the top and BA--AB on the bottom which stamp in the set should it be ?
Is it of row A or row B?
Can someone clarify this please?
Thanking you in advance
Cheryl
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re: How to RECORD the letters on RED VENETIAN1d stamps
Hi Cheryl, check our penny black page, they follow this same order, use the lower letters.
Edit to add a link to the page.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_pe ...
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31 Dec 2022
08:43:06pm
re: How to RECORD the letters on RED VENETIAN1d stamps
The bottom letters determine the position in the plate. The top are simply reversed.
But I have a question: Why do you call them "Venetian"? That's a new one on me.
Roy
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08:43:30pm
re: How to RECORD the letters on RED VENETIAN1d stamps
Thankyou Victor
Lower letters
are the clues All the best in 2023
Cheryl
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08:50:26pm
re: How to RECORD the letters on RED VENETIAN1d stamps
Roy
I referred to the stamps as Venetian red due to their colour.
It separates them from penny reds. Why? Not sure but that was the info that I discovered
when researching the stamps that I had found in my stock box.
Maybe someone else can add more correct information...I`m no expert
just a collector. Happy New Year!!!
Cheryl
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31 Dec 2022
09:11:46pm
re: How to RECORD the letters on RED VENETIAN1d stamps
Had to ask because I have never heard it before. Gibbons lists only "rose-red" and "lake-red", while Scott adds "brick red".
(This coming Easter marks my 62nd year collecting stamps --- coincides with my spending 3 months in hospital after getting hit by a car as a kid!)
Roy
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Roy
It just proves that we can always learn something new or that technology is always changing the language lol
All the best in 2023, your 63 rd year . Cheryl
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re: How to RECORD the letters on RED VENETIAN1d stamps
Hi 2010ccg
My Gibbons Concise 1987 describes the 1d and the 1.5d of 1880-81 as Venetian red - I was quite taken with this description and have bought the issue partly because of it. It's my first foray into the QV issues of GB.
I haven't got the Gibbons QV specialised catalogue, so I don't know how the colour is described there. But Venetian red sounds very attractive to me! The only trouble is the postmarks, at the level I can afford, are very heavy and obliterate a lot of the stamp.
Heigh ho! Neville
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re: How to RECORD the letters on RED VENETIAN1d stamps
The stamp in question is Scott 80, described as Red Brown. SG is 167 described as Venetian Red. Not the original penny red from the penny black plate with only lower letters or the subsequent issue with letters in all corners.
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re: How to RECORD the letters on RED VENETIAN1d stamps
"The stamp in question is Scott 80"
Actually, the 1d referred to in the original post is Scott #79 (80 is the 1 1/2d), but thank you, that clears up the confusion.
We early responders, in the absence of picture or catalog number, gravitated to thinking the reference was to the more written-about line engraved 1d, Scott #33, with the reversed letters at the top replacing the stars of the earlier issues:
rather than the 1880 surface printed issue:
The same lettering rule applies for both, but I have to admit that I almost never think about the surface printed issues, so missed the significance of the reference to color only.
Roy
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Thanks Roy, my error. I shall go and admonish myself with 40 lashes.
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re: How to RECORD the letters on RED VENETIAN1d stamps
"admonish myself with 40 lashes"
As we used to say as kids: "With a wet noodle".
Roy
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