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Canada/Stamps : Question about Canada #6 - Does it exist?

 

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20 Dec 2022
06:22:41pm
I have two copies of my Harris Canada album, one we had to transfer stuff out of about 30ish years ago because it was falling apart. The first page had a listing for a very expensive Canada #6 which appears to be a wove paper version for the expensive #3. In other words it appears to exist!! The new Harris leaves it out and the Canada Unitrade catalog says that the number was "unassigned" and the Scott's says "the 12p black wove stamp probably does not exist". I'm going to try to do some research, just out of pure curiosity, since I will never be able to afford either #3 or #6. I'm just curious if anyone knows the true story. I know I once saw someone on line calling #6 an incredibly rare stamp. That implies it does exist, what's up?

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20 Dec 2022
06:50:50pm
re: Question about Canada #6 - Does it exist?

Harvey me friend, without scans (I know you can't provide any) it's impossible to proceed further!

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20 Dec 2022
07:01:58pm
re: Question about Canada #6 - Does it exist?

"Harvey me friend, without scans (I know you can't provide any) it's impossible to proceed further!"


We don't need a scan! All I want to know is whether anyone has any information as to whether the stamp actually exists. It's just out of plain curiosity. The only information I can come up with on-line concerns #3, all I'm curious about is whether anyone knows why my old album would show the stamp (#6) and the newer album does not. One source (Unitrade) says it doesn't exist and other sources comment on its rarity. Has anyone read anything that might soothe my curiosity? That's all!

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20 Dec 2022
07:28:55pm
re: Question about Canada #6 - Does it exist?

When questions about early Canada arise, my "go to" references are Winthrop Boggs 1945 "The Postage Stamps and Postal History of Canada" (original editions available, but I use my 1974 Quarterman reprint), and Fred Jarrett 1929 "Stamps of British North America" (1975 Quarterman reprint).

Boggs says this:

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Jarrett doesn't add much, but says this:

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Specifically with respect to your question about the presence of #6 in your old albums, my 1967 Scott still lists #6. I am afraid I have no information on why #6 appears to have been "demoted" sometime since.

I hope that helps.

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20 Dec 2022
08:30:00pm
re: Question about Canada #6 - Does it exist?

Fantastic Roy, my question is answered!!!

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20 Dec 2022
11:47:40pm
re: Question about Canada #6 - Does it exist?

I presume you noticed the vertically placed inscription alongside the upper right hand edge of the photograph of the cover: "This illustration is of a faked cover."

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22 Dec 2022
11:19:17am
re: Question about Canada #6 - Does it exist?

"I presume you noticed the vertically placed inscription alongside the upper right hand edge of the photograph of the cover: "This illustration is of a faked cover.""



I am sure that plays a significant role in the "demotion" of the listing, and also gives a likely time-frame for the event.

1944: (original Boggs) its a "philatelic gem"
1967: Still listed by Scott as #6
1975: Quarterman reprint of Boggs: "faked cover notice"

Interesting historical progression. I am confident that there would have been a ton of philatelic articles about the issue somewhere in that time frame, if anybody can find them.

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
20 Dec 2022
06:22:41pm

I have two copies of my Harris Canada album, one we had to transfer stuff out of about 30ish years ago because it was falling apart. The first page had a listing for a very expensive Canada #6 which appears to be a wove paper version for the expensive #3. In other words it appears to exist!! The new Harris leaves it out and the Canada Unitrade catalog says that the number was "unassigned" and the Scott's says "the 12p black wove stamp probably does not exist". I'm going to try to do some research, just out of pure curiosity, since I will never be able to afford either #3 or #6. I'm just curious if anyone knows the true story. I know I once saw someone on line calling #6 an incredibly rare stamp. That implies it does exist, what's up?

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"Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that. George Carlin"
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20 Dec 2022
06:50:50pm

re: Question about Canada #6 - Does it exist?

Harvey me friend, without scans (I know you can't provide any) it's impossible to proceed further!

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
20 Dec 2022
07:01:58pm

re: Question about Canada #6 - Does it exist?

"Harvey me friend, without scans (I know you can't provide any) it's impossible to proceed further!"


We don't need a scan! All I want to know is whether anyone has any information as to whether the stamp actually exists. It's just out of plain curiosity. The only information I can come up with on-line concerns #3, all I'm curious about is whether anyone knows why my old album would show the stamp (#6) and the newer album does not. One source (Unitrade) says it doesn't exist and other sources comment on its rarity. Has anyone read anything that might soothe my curiosity? That's all!

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"Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that. George Carlin"

BuckaCover.com - 80,000 covers priced 60c to $1.50 - Easy browsing 500 categories
20 Dec 2022
07:28:55pm

re: Question about Canada #6 - Does it exist?

When questions about early Canada arise, my "go to" references are Winthrop Boggs 1945 "The Postage Stamps and Postal History of Canada" (original editions available, but I use my 1974 Quarterman reprint), and Fred Jarrett 1929 "Stamps of British North America" (1975 Quarterman reprint).

Boggs says this:

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Jarrett doesn't add much, but says this:

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Specifically with respect to your question about the presence of #6 in your old albums, my 1967 Scott still lists #6. I am afraid I have no information on why #6 appears to have been "demoted" sometime since.

I hope that helps.

Roy

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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
20 Dec 2022
08:30:00pm

re: Question about Canada #6 - Does it exist?

Fantastic Roy, my question is answered!!!

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"Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that. George Carlin"
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20 Dec 2022
11:47:40pm

re: Question about Canada #6 - Does it exist?

I presume you noticed the vertically placed inscription alongside the upper right hand edge of the photograph of the cover: "This illustration is of a faked cover."

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22 Dec 2022
11:19:17am

re: Question about Canada #6 - Does it exist?

"I presume you noticed the vertically placed inscription alongside the upper right hand edge of the photograph of the cover: "This illustration is of a faked cover.""



I am sure that plays a significant role in the "demotion" of the listing, and also gives a likely time-frame for the event.

1944: (original Boggs) its a "philatelic gem"
1967: Still listed by Scott as #6
1975: Quarterman reprint of Boggs: "faked cover notice"

Interesting historical progression. I am confident that there would have been a ton of philatelic articles about the issue somewhere in that time frame, if anybody can find them.

Roy
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