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The one on the left seems to be orange red. It has LL position dot and 12 x12, which would make it #37.
The one on the right is a puzzler. It perfs at 12x12, and has no guide dot. The color options are across the board, and include: copper or Indian red (extremely doubtful), rose red, bright vermillion, rose carmine. So, it's a version of #37 0r 41.
This stuff gives you a headache.
Any thoughts from the peanut gallery? No offense intended.
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03:49:18pm
I "supposedly" have 5 different versions of #37: 37, 37a,b,c and e. It looks very much like the one I call 37b, but to be totally honest, that's an educated guess!! Colour shades of early Canada stamps are incredibly tricky!!
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@Bigcreekdad, it looks like this stamp has experienced sulfurization (often called "oxidation"). Certain ink colors can change when exposed to different elements. Orange can change to a brownish/brown color. Hydrogen peroxide will change it back to the original color (or close to it), assuming it is indeed a changeling (I'm not even remotely an expert in Canada). If the stamp has gum, though, the hydrogen peroxide will wash it off. I've heard of others simply letting the "vapors" of the hydrogen peroxide do the work on stamps with gum, but haven't tried it myself (a "sweatbox" type of environment). As always, be careful exposing stamps to any chemicals!
Here are some links to check out that shows some before and after examples:
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=16115#121290
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=25206#178470
I have some DWI stamps that have turned colors (the 7 Cents and 12 Cents issues), but left them "as-is." One of them actually looks pretty cool!!
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.....looking forward to your additional input.
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07:26:56pm
I believe you are correct on the left stamp. The right stamp is screaming at me "I'm an oxidized #41!". The paper should be a distinctly inferior quality (often called "almost newsprint quality") compared to the left stamp. i.e. an Ottawa printing of the 1890s.
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I have had great results using a peroxide sweat box with red mint stamps from Thailand's first issue. It's great on reds but less so on the yellows. The blues and oranges don't seem to suffer the same changeling problems. These are printed with inks used by Waterlow in 1883 if that helps. There are good discussions on building a sweat box on this board. (Mind you, I wouldn't let the second De Le Rue issue anywhere near peroxide as those inks run far too easy.)
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I will probably list it as an oxidized 41. Maybe someone collects such changelings.
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Bill Crowe recently discussed "oxidized" stamps on YouTube, and shares his methods for using hydrogen peroxide on "changelings." Bill is a noted expert (largely in U.S. classic material), having previously worked with the Philatelic Foundation and A.I.E.P. as an expertizer. The episode runs for just over an hour, where he starts talking about the use of hydrogen peroxide around the 40 minute mark, and mentions that "oranges" seem most affected. Overall a very interesting look "behind the curtain" of expertizing.
Ep. 96 Bill Crowe at The Spellman Museum: Live Expertizing Event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8pc1lc8 ...
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Working on my small queens and I've hit 3c.
I hate these! Seriously, I'm losing my mind!
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Welcome to the small queens home for the crazies.
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I was losing my mind on the 3c and finally just sorted them into colours as best as I could, turned the page in my catalogue to do the reprint set and rolled me eyes. I didn't realise there was a 3c in the reprints!
Now that explains why I kept seeing vermilion and there was no vermilion in the main set list! 
Thankfully I have a good sense of humour. When I saw the 3c listings, I just rolled my eyes and laughed.
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Small Queens and color ID are nothing but trouble,Argh!
The one on the left seems to be orange red. It has LL position dot and 12 x12, which would make it #37.
The one on the right is a puzzler. It perfs at 12x12, and has no guide dot. The color options are across the board, and include: copper or Indian red (extremely doubtful), rose red, bright vermillion, rose carmine. So, it's a version of #37 0r 41.
This stuff gives you a headache.
Any thoughts from the peanut gallery? No offense intended.
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re: Another Canadian Small Queen color challenge
I "supposedly" have 5 different versions of #37: 37, 37a,b,c and e. It looks very much like the one I call 37b, but to be totally honest, that's an educated guess!! Colour shades of early Canada stamps are incredibly tricky!!
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re: Another Canadian Small Queen color challenge
@Bigcreekdad, it looks like this stamp has experienced sulfurization (often called "oxidation"). Certain ink colors can change when exposed to different elements. Orange can change to a brownish/brown color. Hydrogen peroxide will change it back to the original color (or close to it), assuming it is indeed a changeling (I'm not even remotely an expert in Canada). If the stamp has gum, though, the hydrogen peroxide will wash it off. I've heard of others simply letting the "vapors" of the hydrogen peroxide do the work on stamps with gum, but haven't tried it myself (a "sweatbox" type of environment). As always, be careful exposing stamps to any chemicals!
Here are some links to check out that shows some before and after examples:
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=16115#121290
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=25206#178470
I have some DWI stamps that have turned colors (the 7 Cents and 12 Cents issues), but left them "as-is." One of them actually looks pretty cool!!
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.....looking forward to your additional input.
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re: Another Canadian Small Queen color challenge
I believe you are correct on the left stamp. The right stamp is screaming at me "I'm an oxidized #41!". The paper should be a distinctly inferior quality (often called "almost newsprint quality") compared to the left stamp. i.e. an Ottawa printing of the 1890s.
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re: Another Canadian Small Queen color challenge
I have had great results using a peroxide sweat box with red mint stamps from Thailand's first issue. It's great on reds but less so on the yellows. The blues and oranges don't seem to suffer the same changeling problems. These are printed with inks used by Waterlow in 1883 if that helps. There are good discussions on building a sweat box on this board. (Mind you, I wouldn't let the second De Le Rue issue anywhere near peroxide as those inks run far too easy.)
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re: Another Canadian Small Queen color challenge
I will probably list it as an oxidized 41. Maybe someone collects such changelings.
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re: Another Canadian Small Queen color challenge
Bill Crowe recently discussed "oxidized" stamps on YouTube, and shares his methods for using hydrogen peroxide on "changelings." Bill is a noted expert (largely in U.S. classic material), having previously worked with the Philatelic Foundation and A.I.E.P. as an expertizer. The episode runs for just over an hour, where he starts talking about the use of hydrogen peroxide around the 40 minute mark, and mentions that "oranges" seem most affected. Overall a very interesting look "behind the curtain" of expertizing.
Ep. 96 Bill Crowe at The Spellman Museum: Live Expertizing Event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8pc1lc8 ...
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re: Another Canadian Small Queen color challenge
Working on my small queens and I've hit 3c.
I hate these! Seriously, I'm losing my mind!
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Welcome to the small queens home for the crazies.
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re: Another Canadian Small Queen color challenge
I was losing my mind on the 3c and finally just sorted them into colours as best as I could, turned the page in my catalogue to do the reprint set and rolled me eyes. I didn't realise there was a 3c in the reprints!
Now that explains why I kept seeing vermilion and there was no vermilion in the main set list!
Thankfully I have a good sense of humour. When I saw the 3c listings, I just rolled my eyes and laughed.
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