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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Stamped initials on back of stamps

 

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bigcreekdad
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23 Nov 2022
11:47:06am
My mind isn't working well today. Is there a name for a stamp (19th century) with tiny stamped initials on the back of it?
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23 Nov 2022
02:32:17pm
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Perhaps an image of the stamp/mark might help elicit an answer.

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Harvey

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23 Nov 2022
02:58:56pm
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Making a guess here - the initials of a previous owner or someone who expertized the stamp!!

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23 Nov 2022
05:23:39pm
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24 Nov 2022
02:08:46pm
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25 Nov 2022
05:23:17pm
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anyone there?

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25 Nov 2022
06:37:45pm
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Looks more like a Dealers mark

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26 Nov 2022
08:13:50am
re: Stamped initials on back of stamps

How about the "2N" on the back?

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26 Nov 2022
08:46:42am
re: Stamped initials on back of stamps

"How about the "2N" on the back?"




I think we assumed this was what you were referring to.

I have seen this type of marking before and been told that it referenced who the (previous) owner was....or previous dealer who had it in his/her posession at the time.
I have no idea what/who it stands for.
I have heard reference to a dealer/collector listing of markings, but have never seen it.
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26 Nov 2022
11:35:55am
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someone the stamp dealers association....I was assuming this was from the front. post is now gone. that is who my response was meant for...or...I'm going crazy

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26 Nov 2022
07:56:39pm
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Two things by way of reply to your latest query:

1. The letters on the front of the stamp appear to be part a postmark (cancellation) giving the name of the town and the date. I do not know what town, but part of the name appears to be MSDA. The date underneath includes NO which is the usual abbreviation for November.

2. The letters on the back are likely an identifier for the dealer or collector who once either owned or attested the stamp as genuine. I recall reading that in early years of philately, there were some who applied such marks to the back of stamps either to signify ownership (and thus prevent theft) or to signal that the stamp was certified as being genuine (as opposed to a forgery). This practice although not widespread was discontinued, as by leaving a permanent mark on the stamp its value was decreased. I do not recall where I read about this, but it was an article that crossed my attention many years ago.

I hope some of this helps.

J. T. Hurd.

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27 Nov 2022
08:00:08am
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Thanks JT

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Harvey

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27 Nov 2022
08:19:47am
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"as by leaving a permanent mark on the stamp its value was decreased"


I'm just curious how many of would pass up a stamp, or expect the value to be decreased, for a stamp marked like this. To me it adds to the "character" of the stamp and gives it more interest to me. To me I would be more interested in the stamp. Would you really pass up the British Guiana 1856 1 Cent Magenta because of it's owner's marks? I think it shows the history of the stamp and if it turns out to be a certifier's mark we now know the stamp is not a fake! Just curious.

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28 Nov 2022
09:40:04am
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Harvey....it's yours for $1000. I'll even ship priority mail!

Seriously though, I agree with you. Also, having stamps like this leave the important questions unanswered......who's initials?....and why were they put there? Tell me this doesn't make this stamp more interesting than not.

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29 Nov 2022
04:17:30pm
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Similar marks are also put on the backs by experts to prove authentication. Next step is to see if it is one. I remember seeing a illustrated list of hundreds along with those which were faked. I can't to find it though.

Tad

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29 Nov 2022
04:42:24pm
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Try this for expert marks.

https://www.filatelia.fi/experts/namesa. ...

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23 Nov 2022
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My mind isn't working well today. Is there a name for a stamp (19th century) with tiny stamped initials on the back of it?

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23 Nov 2022
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Harvey

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23 Nov 2022
02:58:56pm

re: Stamped initials on back of stamps

Making a guess here - the initials of a previous owner or someone who expertized the stamp!!

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23 Nov 2022
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24 Nov 2022
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25 Nov 2022
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re: Stamped initials on back of stamps

anyone there?

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25 Nov 2022
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Looks more like a Dealers mark

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26 Nov 2022
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re: Stamped initials on back of stamps

How about the "2N" on the back?

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26 Nov 2022
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re: Stamped initials on back of stamps

"How about the "2N" on the back?"




I think we assumed this was what you were referring to.

I have seen this type of marking before and been told that it referenced who the (previous) owner was....or previous dealer who had it in his/her posession at the time.
I have no idea what/who it stands for.
I have heard reference to a dealer/collector listing of markings, but have never seen it.
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26 Nov 2022
11:35:55am

re: Stamped initials on back of stamps

someone the stamp dealers association....I was assuming this was from the front. post is now gone. that is who my response was meant for...or...I'm going crazy

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26 Nov 2022
07:56:39pm

re: Stamped initials on back of stamps

Two things by way of reply to your latest query:

1. The letters on the front of the stamp appear to be part a postmark (cancellation) giving the name of the town and the date. I do not know what town, but part of the name appears to be MSDA. The date underneath includes NO which is the usual abbreviation for November.

2. The letters on the back are likely an identifier for the dealer or collector who once either owned or attested the stamp as genuine. I recall reading that in early years of philately, there were some who applied such marks to the back of stamps either to signify ownership (and thus prevent theft) or to signal that the stamp was certified as being genuine (as opposed to a forgery). This practice although not widespread was discontinued, as by leaving a permanent mark on the stamp its value was decreased. I do not recall where I read about this, but it was an article that crossed my attention many years ago.

I hope some of this helps.

J. T. Hurd.

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bigcreekdad

27 Nov 2022
08:00:08am

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Thanks JT

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Harvey

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27 Nov 2022
08:19:47am

re: Stamped initials on back of stamps

"as by leaving a permanent mark on the stamp its value was decreased"


I'm just curious how many of would pass up a stamp, or expect the value to be decreased, for a stamp marked like this. To me it adds to the "character" of the stamp and gives it more interest to me. To me I would be more interested in the stamp. Would you really pass up the British Guiana 1856 1 Cent Magenta because of it's owner's marks? I think it shows the history of the stamp and if it turns out to be a certifier's mark we now know the stamp is not a fake! Just curious.

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28 Nov 2022
09:40:04am

re: Stamped initials on back of stamps

Harvey....it's yours for $1000. I'll even ship priority mail!

Seriously though, I agree with you. Also, having stamps like this leave the important questions unanswered......who's initials?....and why were they put there? Tell me this doesn't make this stamp more interesting than not.

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29 Nov 2022
04:17:30pm

re: Stamped initials on back of stamps

Similar marks are also put on the backs by experts to prove authentication. Next step is to see if it is one. I remember seeing a illustrated list of hundreds along with those which were faked. I can't to find it though.

Tad

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mbo1142

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29 Nov 2022
04:42:24pm

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Try this for expert marks.

https://www.filatelia.fi/experts/namesa. ...

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