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EvertonDave

16 Nov 2022
11:01:57am
Thinking of trying to plate the 1880 1d venitian red. Please can anyone suggest sources.
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16 Nov 2022
12:11:32pm
re: Plating SG53 ?

Can you show us an image of the stamp in question? SG 53 is 1½d rose-red of 1870 catalogued at £1900 used.
The 1½d. SG 51-52 has the plate number in the cross hatching bottom right and left. 1,2,3,6,8,9,10.

Edit. To add plate one did not have the number on the stamp, plate 2 was defective and not used.

2nd. Edit ok you mean Sg 166, illustration 53. In which case ignore my comments above.

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16 Nov 2022
03:45:52pm
re: Plating SG53 ?

Hi EvertonDave,

I guess you're referring to the surface printed stamp SG 166 1d Venetian red which is SG type 53.

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16 Nov 2022
04:34:47pm

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If you are talking SG 166 the "plating" is the two letters in the bottom corners. What is the purpose - are you trying to do a sheet reconstruction? If so the top left stamp would be A - A, the stamp adjacent to the right would be A - B, the stamp directly below it would be B - A and so forth. I have a very partial sheet reconstruction of GB Scott #3 (109 stamps) that some collector finally gave up on - still thinking what to do with it - too old to think about finishing what he started.

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16 Nov 2022
04:55:11pm
re: Plating SG53 ?

My old 1977 SG Specialised QV catalogue refers to a number of plates (such as imprimaturs known from plates 1, 2, 4 to 10 and 12 to 33) and also to "many frame breaks and constant varieties" but it doesn't describe these.

I've not seen any references for these varieties.

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16 Nov 2022
05:05:46pm
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Webpaper, sorry the letters indicate sheet position not plate numbers.

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16 Nov 2022
06:30:50pm

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Thought I covered that with the term "sheet reconstruction" and description of same. That is why I put the term "plating: in quotes,.

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EvertonDave

17 Nov 2022
11:23:34am
re: Plating SG53 ?

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Thanks for the responses. Obviously I did not have the right terminology. NOT plating but sheet reconstruction.
Any recommendations as to where I can (a) establish how many stamps there would be in a sheet and (b) where I might find random bags full of SG 166 ?
Again , many thanks.

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17 Nov 2022
12:45:34pm
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They would have been printed in sheets of 240 (12x20) as were the penny blacks, so you can use our penny black page as a guide.
Not sure where you could get them in bulk, auction sites, ebay etc.

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22 Nov 2022
01:19:31pm
re: Plating SG53 ?

" ... and (b) where I might find random bags full of SG 166 ? ...."

My guess would be in Great Britain, starting in England, But first, I'd want to know what a decent copy sells for.
And what a kiloware bundle might cost.
If the expected cost is within your budget, start with a list of UK dealers and ask if any has such a group in stock. If such there be, that should take care of the easily available plate positions, at which time the fun should begin.
Make a want list for what you are then missing and circulate it among dealers and friendly collectors. Good luck

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23 Nov 2022
04:29:19am
re: Plating SG53 ?

There's a bloke called "dealing stamps" on ebay, selling what he calls multiple listings of 166s. He doesn't say how many in the pack - just a pic. And the price - £1.29 a pack. Couldn't get a coffee for that!

You could ask him for more info.

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25 Nov 2022
10:43:17pm
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Loads of them here:

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/314243927583?hash=item492a65ce1f:g:segAAOSwWe9jdsVr

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EvertonDave

16 Nov 2022
11:01:57am

Thinking of trying to plate the 1880 1d venitian red. Please can anyone suggest sources.

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sheepshanks

16 Nov 2022
12:11:32pm

re: Plating SG53 ?

Can you show us an image of the stamp in question? SG 53 is 1½d rose-red of 1870 catalogued at £1900 used.
The 1½d. SG 51-52 has the plate number in the cross hatching bottom right and left. 1,2,3,6,8,9,10.

Edit. To add plate one did not have the number on the stamp, plate 2 was defective and not used.

2nd. Edit ok you mean Sg 166, illustration 53. In which case ignore my comments above.

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nigelc

16 Nov 2022
03:45:52pm

re: Plating SG53 ?

Hi EvertonDave,

I guess you're referring to the surface printed stamp SG 166 1d Venetian red which is SG type 53.

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16 Nov 2022
04:34:47pm

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re: Plating SG53 ?

If you are talking SG 166 the "plating" is the two letters in the bottom corners. What is the purpose - are you trying to do a sheet reconstruction? If so the top left stamp would be A - A, the stamp adjacent to the right would be A - B, the stamp directly below it would be B - A and so forth. I have a very partial sheet reconstruction of GB Scott #3 (109 stamps) that some collector finally gave up on - still thinking what to do with it - too old to think about finishing what he started.

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nigelc

16 Nov 2022
04:55:11pm

re: Plating SG53 ?

My old 1977 SG Specialised QV catalogue refers to a number of plates (such as imprimaturs known from plates 1, 2, 4 to 10 and 12 to 33) and also to "many frame breaks and constant varieties" but it doesn't describe these.

I've not seen any references for these varieties.

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sheepshanks

16 Nov 2022
05:05:46pm

re: Plating SG53 ?

Webpaper, sorry the letters indicate sheet position not plate numbers.

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16 Nov 2022
06:30:50pm

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re: Plating SG53 ?

Thought I covered that with the term "sheet reconstruction" and description of same. That is why I put the term "plating: in quotes,.

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EvertonDave

17 Nov 2022
11:23:34am

re: Plating SG53 ?

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Thanks for the responses. Obviously I did not have the right terminology. NOT plating but sheet reconstruction.
Any recommendations as to where I can (a) establish how many stamps there would be in a sheet and (b) where I might find random bags full of SG 166 ?
Again , many thanks.

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sheepshanks

17 Nov 2022
12:45:34pm

re: Plating SG53 ?

They would have been printed in sheets of 240 (12x20) as were the penny blacks, so you can use our penny black page as a guide.
Not sure where you could get them in bulk, auction sites, ebay etc.

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
22 Nov 2022
01:19:31pm

re: Plating SG53 ?

" ... and (b) where I might find random bags full of SG 166 ? ...."

My guess would be in Great Britain, starting in England, But first, I'd want to know what a decent copy sells for.
And what a kiloware bundle might cost.
If the expected cost is within your budget, start with a list of UK dealers and ask if any has such a group in stock. If such there be, that should take care of the easily available plate positions, at which time the fun should begin.
Make a want list for what you are then missing and circulate it among dealers and friendly collectors. Good luck

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Strider

23 Nov 2022
04:29:19am

re: Plating SG53 ?

There's a bloke called "dealing stamps" on ebay, selling what he calls multiple listings of 166s. He doesn't say how many in the pack - just a pic. And the price - £1.29 a pack. Couldn't get a coffee for that!

You could ask him for more info.

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Charlie2009

25 Nov 2022
10:43:17pm

re: Plating SG53 ?

Loads of them here:

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/314243927583?hash=item492a65ce1f:g:segAAOSwWe9jdsVr

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