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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Printed on Both Sides

 

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1898

10 Nov 2022
08:37:09pm
Hi

I'd like to see if any members have printed on both sides stamps from ant country? Scan them if possible.


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Harvey

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10 Nov 2022
10:01:50pm
re: Printed on Both Sides

Can't do both sides, but I have a Canada black 6 cent #460fi, 1967 - 1972 definitive series, printed on the gum side if that helps any. Sorry, not set up to do a scan but all it looks like is a slightly shiny version of the regular stamp. This will be an interesting post, I've never seen a stamp printed on both sides! This is a very cheap stamp so lots must have been printed that way. Will it be a reverse image from sitting on another stamp or will it be run twice through the printer?
If you do a google search "stamp printed on both sides" there are a few examples shown. There's quite a few ( 159 ) on E-Bay, I think most are offset but some actually have the same image on both sides.
https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_from=R40 ...

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gerom

11 Nov 2022
08:03:05am
re: Printed on Both Sides

Only the overprint is printed twice (front/back) or the entire stamp.
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11 Nov 2022
08:07:11am
re: Printed on Both Sides

Gerom,

Those look more like offsets caused by stacking freshly printed sheets on top of one another.

David

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gerom

11 Nov 2022
08:19:58am
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David,
At least on the French stamp, the front/back printing is perfectly centered, which I think could only be achieved by a first printing without paper (ink deposited on the support) and on the next printing, with paper this time, a double printing was made.
George

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1898

11 Nov 2022
08:37:34am
re: Printed on Both Sides

gerom

Thank you for your posting and excellent scans. Sorry but both scans are reverse or negative offsets. A true printed on both sides need postive images.

Your example are wonderful offsets.

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gerom

11 Nov 2022
11:08:23am
re: Printed on Both Sides

1898
Interesting.
I assume that this front/back printing is not accidental.
I don't think anyone can accidentally make a print and then turn the sheet over and print it again.
I have seen stamps printed on paper that had maps or banknotes on the opposite side, but this situation occurs in crisis situations, when there is a lack of paper.
Do you know how it is technically possible (without the operator's intention) to realize this front/back printing?...
It may appear in tests when, for paper economy, it is printed on both sides.
But these are scraps and I suspect that they are destroyed and have no way of reaching collectors (only in case of theft)
Is there a catalog that mentions/prices these double printing stamps?

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Mike

13 Nov 2022
01:47:43pm
re: Printed on Both Sides

How's this for a very nice two-sided stamp? This one is VF MNH!

Mike


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Harvey

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14 Nov 2022
06:03:20pm
re: Printed on Both Sides

I ran into this while searching something else. Thought it was worth a look!!
Make sure you read the description, it's really interesting and gives a good idea how printings were organized.
https://siegelauctions.com/lot_grd.php?m ...

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1898

14 Nov 2022
08:46:18pm
re: Printed on Both Sides

Thank you Harvey, most interesting read.

There is one on the site "1898Revenues", but with a twist, two different (one without ink) stamps.

If interested see "28 May 2021 1/8 cent proprietary with 50 cent beer stamp impressionson" in the 1898Revenues site

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17 Nov 2022
11:15:19am
re: Printed on Both Sides

Just a thought. If a stamp is printed on both sides would the image not be the right way intead of being a mirror image on one side?

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1898

17 Nov 2022
06:19:07pm
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Opa, you are correct, but your posting loss me when you said " intead of being a mirror image on one side?", what is the context?

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18 Nov 2022
11:31:55am
re: Printed on Both Sides

Sorry did not see that. It was meant to read "instead".

One more thought. It could be likley that sometimes a press or cylinder could run with no paper. This would cause an image transfer to the hammer or
cylinder. When paper is then put through to be printed you would have a mirror image on the gum side, I would think.

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1898

18 Nov 2022
05:30:00pm
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Opa, sorry I did not even see "intead" spelling, I was confused by "being a mirror image on one side?" context?

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19 Nov 2022
03:55:03pm
re: Printed on Both Sides

Trying to understand how the printed on gum side errors happen. Example, Unitrade Canada #2012av - printed on gum side, pane of 10. Since this was a self-adhesive the pane had backing paper and was the stamp printed on the backing paper? Was the front blank? Can you just peel off a blank stamp with gum and .....?

Haven't seen any photos of these to get an idea of how they occurred. Unitrade 2018 values it at only $250 so it can't be that rare. Does any SOR member have one or seen one? It would be nice to know.

Tad

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1898

10 Nov 2022
08:37:09pm

Hi

I'd like to see if any members have printed on both sides stamps from ant country? Scan them if possible.


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Harvey

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10 Nov 2022
10:01:50pm

re: Printed on Both Sides

Can't do both sides, but I have a Canada black 6 cent #460fi, 1967 - 1972 definitive series, printed on the gum side if that helps any. Sorry, not set up to do a scan but all it looks like is a slightly shiny version of the regular stamp. This will be an interesting post, I've never seen a stamp printed on both sides! This is a very cheap stamp so lots must have been printed that way. Will it be a reverse image from sitting on another stamp or will it be run twice through the printer?
If you do a google search "stamp printed on both sides" there are a few examples shown. There's quite a few ( 159 ) on E-Bay, I think most are offset but some actually have the same image on both sides.
https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_from=R40 ...

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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good, too. Yogiism"
gerom

11 Nov 2022
08:03:05am

re: Printed on Both Sides

Only the overprint is printed twice (front/back) or the entire stamp.
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11 Nov 2022
08:07:11am

re: Printed on Both Sides

Gerom,

Those look more like offsets caused by stacking freshly printed sheets on top of one another.

David

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gerom

11 Nov 2022
08:19:58am

re: Printed on Both Sides

David,
At least on the French stamp, the front/back printing is perfectly centered, which I think could only be achieved by a first printing without paper (ink deposited on the support) and on the next printing, with paper this time, a double printing was made.
George

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1898

11 Nov 2022
08:37:34am

re: Printed on Both Sides

gerom

Thank you for your posting and excellent scans. Sorry but both scans are reverse or negative offsets. A true printed on both sides need postive images.

Your example are wonderful offsets.

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gerom

11 Nov 2022
11:08:23am

re: Printed on Both Sides

1898
Interesting.
I assume that this front/back printing is not accidental.
I don't think anyone can accidentally make a print and then turn the sheet over and print it again.
I have seen stamps printed on paper that had maps or banknotes on the opposite side, but this situation occurs in crisis situations, when there is a lack of paper.
Do you know how it is technically possible (without the operator's intention) to realize this front/back printing?...
It may appear in tests when, for paper economy, it is printed on both sides.
But these are scraps and I suspect that they are destroyed and have no way of reaching collectors (only in case of theft)
Is there a catalog that mentions/prices these double printing stamps?

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Mike
13 Nov 2022
01:47:43pm

re: Printed on Both Sides

How's this for a very nice two-sided stamp? This one is VF MNH!

Mike


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"It's been three years now, since I joined a support group for procrastinators. We haven't met yet..."
Harvey

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14 Nov 2022
06:03:20pm

re: Printed on Both Sides

I ran into this while searching something else. Thought it was worth a look!!
Make sure you read the description, it's really interesting and gives a good idea how printings were organized.
https://siegelauctions.com/lot_grd.php?m ...

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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good, too. Yogiism"
1898

14 Nov 2022
08:46:18pm

re: Printed on Both Sides

Thank you Harvey, most interesting read.

There is one on the site "1898Revenues", but with a twist, two different (one without ink) stamps.

If interested see "28 May 2021 1/8 cent proprietary with 50 cent beer stamp impressionson" in the 1898Revenues site

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Opa

17 Nov 2022
11:15:19am

re: Printed on Both Sides

Just a thought. If a stamp is printed on both sides would the image not be the right way intead of being a mirror image on one side?

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1898

17 Nov 2022
06:19:07pm

re: Printed on Both Sides

Opa, you are correct, but your posting loss me when you said " intead of being a mirror image on one side?", what is the context?

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Opa

18 Nov 2022
11:31:55am

re: Printed on Both Sides

Sorry did not see that. It was meant to read "instead".

One more thought. It could be likley that sometimes a press or cylinder could run with no paper. This would cause an image transfer to the hammer or
cylinder. When paper is then put through to be printed you would have a mirror image on the gum side, I would think.

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1898

18 Nov 2022
05:30:00pm

re: Printed on Both Sides

Opa, sorry I did not even see "intead" spelling, I was confused by "being a mirror image on one side?" context?

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copy55555

19 Nov 2022
03:55:03pm

re: Printed on Both Sides

Trying to understand how the printed on gum side errors happen. Example, Unitrade Canada #2012av - printed on gum side, pane of 10. Since this was a self-adhesive the pane had backing paper and was the stamp printed on the backing paper? Was the front blank? Can you just peel off a blank stamp with gum and .....?

Haven't seen any photos of these to get an idea of how they occurred. Unitrade 2018 values it at only $250 so it can't be that rare. Does any SOR member have one or seen one? It would be nice to know.

Tad

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