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General Philatelic/Identify This? : ID please

 

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D2M2

08 Nov 2022
06:25:39pm
These two caught my eye because I collect "Peace Dove" stamps.

Are these from Czechoslovakia? Could the birds be called "Peace Doves?"

The style has Art Nouveau elements. Approximate date for these?

Thanks.

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Calstamp

08 Nov 2022
07:09:01pm
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Yes

Czechoslovakia

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08 Nov 2022
07:19:49pm
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Special delivery stamps, Scott#E1, E2. of 1919-20.

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D2M2

09 Nov 2022
07:07:13am
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With the above information I found the designer of the stamps:
Alphons Mucha.

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11 Nov 2022
11:00:03am
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" ... Could the birds be called "Peace Doves?
..."

Since they are yours, and it is your collection, I see no real reason not to call an issue of 1919-1920 "Peace Stamps' regardless of intended commercial, revenue, or speciual delivery usage.
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12 Nov 2022
03:53:47am
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Gibbons calls them "Newspaper Express" stamps.

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12 Nov 2022
07:55:21am
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I think this is relevant since gum is being discussed. I read somewhere that some early gum can cause the stamp to crack as the gum does. I can't remember where I read this or if it is even true. It might be worth looking into!

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15 Nov 2022
06:25:35am
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" ... I can't remember where I read this or if it is even true ..."

It is true. I have a beautiful group of early Turkish Empire that I bought in Istanbul some sixty years ago that I dare not handle or examine closely due to the adhesive cracking and destroying the stamp paper.

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15 Nov 2022
07:03:15am
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Remember that the gum on early stamps existed solely to affix the stamp to paper. I doubt that anyone thought that the stamps were expected to last this long with gum. This is why many 19th century stamps are MNG, they've had the gum removed to save the stamp.

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15 Nov 2022
01:39:43pm
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I've seen mint, OG classic Canadian stamps with cracks in the gum that carried through the paper, ripping it into strips.

I once bought a short set of the triangular, privately produced Spanish stamps commemorating Christopher Columbus's voyage (the Spanish post office allowed their use for three days, starting on September 19, 1930. The gum of each stamp had shrunk and curled the stamps into tight little stamp tubes. I soaked them for several minutes in warm water with a bit of dish detergent and then teased them to lie flat, face down and still wet, on the palm of my left hand. Then, using a very sharp knife held at almost a right angle to the back of the stamps, as if I was shaving them, I ever-so-gently scraped the gum off the stamps. That gum was amazing stuff — even after a thorough soaking, it had the consistency of half-dried rubber cement, but I was able to remove it. Here are the stamps:

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15 Nov 2022
01:51:15pm
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Again this is not really relevant to the original topic but seems to fit with the discussion of early gummed stamps. This is also something I read but did not save the source. In the very early days of stamp collecting, before hinges came into existence, stamps were quite often pasted into what passed for albums at the time. These very early collections can be very hard to deal with for that reason. I have never seen any proof to back this up, I'm just repeating what I read (somewhere). I also read somewhere, and this might just be an urban myth, about a very early and valuable collection that the surviving family member had remounted some loose stamps with Scotch tape. I know what that can do since I've seen card collections mounted that way!! Angry

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lerivage

18 Nov 2022
02:29:35am
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Alfons Mucha (1860-1939) was a well known Art Nouveau Czech artist. A number of countries issued stamps of Mucha work, not least his native country.

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D2M2

08 Nov 2022
06:25:39pm

These two caught my eye because I collect "Peace Dove" stamps.

Are these from Czechoslovakia? Could the birds be called "Peace Doves?"

The style has Art Nouveau elements. Approximate date for these?

Thanks.

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Calstamp

08 Nov 2022
07:09:01pm

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Czechoslovakia

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sheepshanks

08 Nov 2022
07:19:49pm

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Special delivery stamps, Scott#E1, E2. of 1919-20.

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D2M2

09 Nov 2022
07:07:13am

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With the above information I found the designer of the stamps:
Alphons Mucha.

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11 Nov 2022
11:00:03am

re: ID please

" ... Could the birds be called "Peace Doves?
..."

Since they are yours, and it is your collection, I see no real reason not to call an issue of 1919-1920 "Peace Stamps' regardless of intended commercial, revenue, or speciual delivery usage.
HUZZAR ! !

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Strider

12 Nov 2022
03:53:47am

re: ID please

Gibbons calls them "Newspaper Express" stamps.

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12 Nov 2022
07:55:21am

re: ID please

I think this is relevant since gum is being discussed. I read somewhere that some early gum can cause the stamp to crack as the gum does. I can't remember where I read this or if it is even true. It might be worth looking into!

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"Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that. George Carlin"

Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
15 Nov 2022
06:25:35am

re: ID please

" ... I can't remember where I read this or if it is even true ..."

It is true. I have a beautiful group of early Turkish Empire that I bought in Istanbul some sixty years ago that I dare not handle or examine closely due to the adhesive cracking and destroying the stamp paper.

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".... You may think you understood what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you think you heard is not what I thought I meant. .... "
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DaveSheridan

15 Nov 2022
07:03:15am

re: ID please

Remember that the gum on early stamps existed solely to affix the stamp to paper. I doubt that anyone thought that the stamps were expected to last this long with gum. This is why many 19th century stamps are MNG, they've had the gum removed to save the stamp.

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Bobstamp

15 Nov 2022
01:39:43pm

re: ID please

I've seen mint, OG classic Canadian stamps with cracks in the gum that carried through the paper, ripping it into strips.

I once bought a short set of the triangular, privately produced Spanish stamps commemorating Christopher Columbus's voyage (the Spanish post office allowed their use for three days, starting on September 19, 1930. The gum of each stamp had shrunk and curled the stamps into tight little stamp tubes. I soaked them for several minutes in warm water with a bit of dish detergent and then teased them to lie flat, face down and still wet, on the palm of my left hand. Then, using a very sharp knife held at almost a right angle to the back of the stamps, as if I was shaving them, I ever-so-gently scraped the gum off the stamps. That gum was amazing stuff — even after a thorough soaking, it had the consistency of half-dried rubber cement, but I was able to remove it. Here are the stamps:

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Bob


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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
15 Nov 2022
01:51:15pm

re: ID please

Again this is not really relevant to the original topic but seems to fit with the discussion of early gummed stamps. This is also something I read but did not save the source. In the very early days of stamp collecting, before hinges came into existence, stamps were quite often pasted into what passed for albums at the time. These very early collections can be very hard to deal with for that reason. I have never seen any proof to back this up, I'm just repeating what I read (somewhere). I also read somewhere, and this might just be an urban myth, about a very early and valuable collection that the surviving family member had remounted some loose stamps with Scotch tape. I know what that can do since I've seen card collections mounted that way!! Angry

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"Some people see things that are and ask, Why? Some people dream of things that never were and ask, Why not? Some people have to go to work and don't have time for all that. George Carlin"
lerivage

18 Nov 2022
02:29:35am

re: ID please

Alfons Mucha (1860-1939) was a well known Art Nouveau Czech artist. A number of countries issued stamps of Mucha work, not least his native country.

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