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Calstamp

02 Aug 2022
07:11:11pm
Hola.

Wish to correspond with other SOR members having an interest in Mexico's Archeology and Architecture series (1952 onward). Regular issues as well as airmail. Including varieties: printings (plates), perforations, watermarks, etc.

Thank you.
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03 Aug 2022
02:23:40pm
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Hola Jim: If you are referring to the series designated in Scott by #C186 and thereafter, I have wrestled with it quite a bit. I use a Mexican set of pages, which provides lots of extra spaces for the variations etc, but unfortunately I don't have a Mexican catalog to direct me to the specifics, and the match with Scott is far from complete or satisfactory. Also, the watermarks are very hard to id on used stamps, and the bulk of my collection is used. Luckily the perforations help classify some, but I am a long way from filling satisfactorily every slot in my Mexican album.
For the EXPORTA series, Steiner provides a detailed extra set of pages with all the variations, which was a huge endeavor. I have set my collection following it. Wonder if Steiner, or anyone else has done the same for the Architecture series of the 50s -->. It would be a big help.

What is the status of your collection, as far as all the variations?
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04 Aug 2022
06:17:54am
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Rrrr.

Thx for the reply. Always good to hear from you.

Like you, have relied on Steiner for pages for Exporta issues. While I have many issues, am always on the seeking to fill holes.

Don't believe Steiner has addressed the A&A series beyond the (basic) Scott listings. Heard Lighthouse is the best for this series, although I have yet to see sample pages.

To be continued.

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Calstamp

04 Aug 2022
06:52:56am
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Rrr...

Currently being offered on the Bay is an "official government catalogue". Exporta: 1975 - 1993. Stamp production catalogue. Published 2005.

Too pricy for my needs.

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Calstamp

04 Aug 2022
06:59:24am
re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Rrr.

Also currently for sale on the Bay is "Practical Guide Motif Architecture and Archeology". Bilingual edition. Published 2016.

Checked with APS Library yesterday. Not in the collection. Wrote the seller requesting a sample page.

TBC.

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04 Aug 2022
12:21:34pm
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Jim: For the Exporta series, the Steiner pages are just perfect.

For the Architecture Series, I have gone back to my books and realized how many were misidentified or missing. And I do have quite an additional accumulation in my "duplicates" that I now need to go through to see what is missing in my collection. I even have an old Approval Book with some leftover unsold stamps, to recover from.

I find that the perforations are the best guides, but unfortunately there are two sets of stamps with identical perforations and watermarks but Vertical or Horizontal that I am unable to differentiate! (unable to see.)
Like Exporta, the process is a bit tedious, and without the help of the Steiner pages, I fear I may have to set up my own pages, with description in the box, to help order the collection beyond Scott's, Minkus or Steiner pages. The additional Mexican album pages I have are by S Vackimes of Mexico DF, but I have no easy refence to some of the additional slots he provides, and some descriptions are just a reference number.
I suppose I should check Scott for all the variations, and date of issues.

I am reaching the conclusion that I may have to generate my own pages, starting with Steiner, and adding pages for the variations. More on this later, right now I am just surprised how much material I have in my Duplicates, just sorted by design, so the real task of perforations and watermark lies ahead. More on this later, but I will gladly share my efforts to set up complete set of pages with descriptions to help me finally get my hands around this part of my Mexico collection. A bit frustrating I must say as the watermarks on used stamps are very hard to id with certainty.

How are you set for "duplicates" to sort out the various types of the basic designs.

Cheers,
rrr...

PS: I am going to check at the Western Philatelic Library near here, in Redwood City, to see if they have any reference studies or catalogs. I nee d to set up an appointment.

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05 Aug 2022
08:52:42am
re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Rrr..

Re Exporta. Based on Steiner pages, estimate I have 35 percent of the spaces filled. Have several duplicates which I will send your way if you wish.

Jim

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05 Aug 2022
02:14:25pm
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Thanks Jim for the offer, but my Exporta collection is 95% plus complete. Just missing the higher pesos value stamps of the 1990, and a stamp here and there witch are not really expensive, just have to find them one by one with the correct description (including paper thickness, perf, burelage type, wmk etc) which are almost impossible on the internet. I have lots of duplicates, should you want to sieve through them.

To return to Architecture and Archeology, I have put together a set of pages, starting from Steiner and modifying the layout as needed, and this has helped me organize my collection. The blank pages have specification details penciled in, so it can be of use to you or to anyone interested, as the Scott catalog, and pre-printed pages do not do justice to this series.
I could post scans here if others are interested, or put a set of paper copies in the mail for you.

I still find it impossible to correctly identify the Vertical or Horizontal WMK 300, and even WMK 300 and WMK 350 are hard to tell apart on used stamps, so my collection is going to be subject to WMK questions. But at least I have been able to correctly identify colors, perforations, size types, imprints and other parameters.. I am missing a few 20p higher values, and the couple special O/P (C220En, C249), which I have never seen before, but otherwise I was surprised at how well I filled most of the slots. Only the 20p are more difficult to find.
Again, I could scan a set of completed pages here f there was enough interest. And here again, I have a lot of duplicates, but not sorted by perf or WMK, so it is work to match them to individual Cat numbers.
rrr...

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05 Aug 2022
03:06:53pm
re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Please post scans whenever it's convenient. I find both of these series very interesting. (Although I am not actively collecting them at this time.)

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05 Aug 2022
05:19:30pm
re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

For anyone else interested in digging deeper in the MX Architecture and Archeology Series, here are some blank pages with penciled in, all the relevant information from the Scott Catalog. Hope this will go a long way to facilitate the task of working this series.
This is a work in progress so some pages will get updated and corrected. I will replace them as I go along. If you spot any mistake (yes, there are some), omissions, or details I should add, please let me know so that I can correct the masters. You should be able to print them, but if you have difficulties and want a set of paper printed pages, just message me privately.

I will post later the pages with all the stamps from my collection, as a reference.

But these blank pages, like the Steiner Exporta detailed pages, will help sorting out your stamps. Without them I seemed to be going in circle!

rrr...

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05 Aug 2022
07:19:07pm
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Wonderful resource. Thx for sharing.

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05 Aug 2022
11:36:15pm
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Agreed. Thanks, Ralph!!

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06 Aug 2022
01:09:23am
re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Just to complete the coverage of the Mexico Archeology and Architecture Series, here are the stamps.
As I mentioned before, WMK identification is difficult on used stamps, so while perforations, colors, and size parameters are accounted for, it is quite possible that some of the WMK are wrong. I still have a few gaps, as one can see, but most of the stamps are in the right slots.
I still need to redo a few pages that have slots for stamps which are not part of the series, but fall within some of the category ranges.
I found a variation on the fluorescence of one stamp which is not noted in the catalog.
Please let me know if you notice any error or omission.
rrr...

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07 Aug 2022
10:24:16am
re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Rrr...

Returning to your original response/posting:

Yes, was referring to the "Archeology" series which begins with Scott C186. But also the "Architecture" series which starts with Scott 856 - 867 (1950 - 52).

Similar to the "Archeology" series, have identified many varieties for the "Architecture" series. Which (not surprisingly) are not listed/included in Scott.

You may recall the long-running series of "Mexico" columns (114 across a period of ten yrs) authored by the late Dale Pulver which appeared in Linn's. In one of his many columns Pulver cites an article written by Ignacio A. Esteva as a important resource re the A&A series. The article was published about the same time as as Linn's Introduction to the Stamps of Mexico, which was essentially a compilation of 44 of Dale's columns.

The Esteva article was supposedly published in (or by) AMEXFIL. (Found a possible contact address, and sent a short letter requesting a reprint of this article.)

Another valuable resource is an excellent database complied by SOR member Jerry Bodoff, an expert on Central and South America philately. Jerry has generously shared this "tables" with fellow philatelists for non-commercial usage.


Link to Jerry's Mexico "tables":

app.box.com/s/7ydeclbexsaekclmrrhn

To be continued.

Jim


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07 Aug 2022
12:30:46pm
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Thanks for the info Jim. The Architecture series (Sc# 856-867 etc etc) is another series with WMK nightmare ID issues.
Here too I sit on a large accumulation, part of a 1 kg of common Mexican stamps I acquired decades ago, and have had a really tough time separating the various WMK series. I am not sure how I should go about it, as these are mostly used stamps, and small in size which make the WMK virtually invisible.
Unfortunately, there are no perforation variations like the Archeology series.

I guess I will have to take another look.

Thanks for the book references. Not sure how much deeper I wish to go, but I will try to Get Dale Pulver Book if I can.
rrr....

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07 Aug 2022
02:08:24pm
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Rrr...

Will send you the Pulver book.

Stay safe.


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Calstamp

02 Aug 2022
07:11:11pm

Hola.

Wish to correspond with other SOR members having an interest in Mexico's Archeology and Architecture series (1952 onward). Regular issues as well as airmail. Including varieties: printings (plates), perforations, watermarks, etc.

Thank you.

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03 Aug 2022
02:23:40pm

re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Hola Jim: If you are referring to the series designated in Scott by #C186 and thereafter, I have wrestled with it quite a bit. I use a Mexican set of pages, which provides lots of extra spaces for the variations etc, but unfortunately I don't have a Mexican catalog to direct me to the specifics, and the match with Scott is far from complete or satisfactory. Also, the watermarks are very hard to id on used stamps, and the bulk of my collection is used. Luckily the perforations help classify some, but I am a long way from filling satisfactorily every slot in my Mexican album.
For the EXPORTA series, Steiner provides a detailed extra set of pages with all the variations, which was a huge endeavor. I have set my collection following it. Wonder if Steiner, or anyone else has done the same for the Architecture series of the 50s -->. It would be a big help.

What is the status of your collection, as far as all the variations?
rrr...

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04 Aug 2022
06:17:54am

re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Rrrr.

Thx for the reply. Always good to hear from you.

Like you, have relied on Steiner for pages for Exporta issues. While I have many issues, am always on the seeking to fill holes.

Don't believe Steiner has addressed the A&A series beyond the (basic) Scott listings. Heard Lighthouse is the best for this series, although I have yet to see sample pages.

To be continued.

Jim


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Calstamp

04 Aug 2022
06:52:56am

re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Rrr...

Currently being offered on the Bay is an "official government catalogue". Exporta: 1975 - 1993. Stamp production catalogue. Published 2005.

Too pricy for my needs.

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Calstamp

04 Aug 2022
06:59:24am

re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Rrr.

Also currently for sale on the Bay is "Practical Guide Motif Architecture and Archeology". Bilingual edition. Published 2016.

Checked with APS Library yesterday. Not in the collection. Wrote the seller requesting a sample page.

TBC.

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04 Aug 2022
12:21:34pm

re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Jim: For the Exporta series, the Steiner pages are just perfect.

For the Architecture Series, I have gone back to my books and realized how many were misidentified or missing. And I do have quite an additional accumulation in my "duplicates" that I now need to go through to see what is missing in my collection. I even have an old Approval Book with some leftover unsold stamps, to recover from.

I find that the perforations are the best guides, but unfortunately there are two sets of stamps with identical perforations and watermarks but Vertical or Horizontal that I am unable to differentiate! (unable to see.)
Like Exporta, the process is a bit tedious, and without the help of the Steiner pages, I fear I may have to set up my own pages, with description in the box, to help order the collection beyond Scott's, Minkus or Steiner pages. The additional Mexican album pages I have are by S Vackimes of Mexico DF, but I have no easy refence to some of the additional slots he provides, and some descriptions are just a reference number.
I suppose I should check Scott for all the variations, and date of issues.

I am reaching the conclusion that I may have to generate my own pages, starting with Steiner, and adding pages for the variations. More on this later, right now I am just surprised how much material I have in my Duplicates, just sorted by design, so the real task of perforations and watermark lies ahead. More on this later, but I will gladly share my efforts to set up complete set of pages with descriptions to help me finally get my hands around this part of my Mexico collection. A bit frustrating I must say as the watermarks on used stamps are very hard to id with certainty.

How are you set for "duplicates" to sort out the various types of the basic designs.

Cheers,
rrr...

PS: I am going to check at the Western Philatelic Library near here, in Redwood City, to see if they have any reference studies or catalogs. I nee d to set up an appointment.

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05 Aug 2022
08:52:42am

re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Rrr..

Re Exporta. Based on Steiner pages, estimate I have 35 percent of the spaces filled. Have several duplicates which I will send your way if you wish.

Jim

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05 Aug 2022
02:14:25pm

re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Thanks Jim for the offer, but my Exporta collection is 95% plus complete. Just missing the higher pesos value stamps of the 1990, and a stamp here and there witch are not really expensive, just have to find them one by one with the correct description (including paper thickness, perf, burelage type, wmk etc) which are almost impossible on the internet. I have lots of duplicates, should you want to sieve through them.

To return to Architecture and Archeology, I have put together a set of pages, starting from Steiner and modifying the layout as needed, and this has helped me organize my collection. The blank pages have specification details penciled in, so it can be of use to you or to anyone interested, as the Scott catalog, and pre-printed pages do not do justice to this series.
I could post scans here if others are interested, or put a set of paper copies in the mail for you.

I still find it impossible to correctly identify the Vertical or Horizontal WMK 300, and even WMK 300 and WMK 350 are hard to tell apart on used stamps, so my collection is going to be subject to WMK questions. But at least I have been able to correctly identify colors, perforations, size types, imprints and other parameters.. I am missing a few 20p higher values, and the couple special O/P (C220En, C249), which I have never seen before, but otherwise I was surprised at how well I filled most of the slots. Only the 20p are more difficult to find.
Again, I could scan a set of completed pages here f there was enough interest. And here again, I have a lot of duplicates, but not sorted by perf or WMK, so it is work to match them to individual Cat numbers.
rrr...

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05 Aug 2022
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re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Please post scans whenever it's convenient. I find both of these series very interesting. (Although I am not actively collecting them at this time.)

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05 Aug 2022
05:19:30pm

re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

For anyone else interested in digging deeper in the MX Architecture and Archeology Series, here are some blank pages with penciled in, all the relevant information from the Scott Catalog. Hope this will go a long way to facilitate the task of working this series.
This is a work in progress so some pages will get updated and corrected. I will replace them as I go along. If you spot any mistake (yes, there are some), omissions, or details I should add, please let me know so that I can correct the masters. You should be able to print them, but if you have difficulties and want a set of paper printed pages, just message me privately.

I will post later the pages with all the stamps from my collection, as a reference.

But these blank pages, like the Steiner Exporta detailed pages, will help sorting out your stamps. Without them I seemed to be going in circle!

rrr...

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05 Aug 2022
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re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Wonderful resource. Thx for sharing.

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05 Aug 2022
11:36:15pm

re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Agreed. Thanks, Ralph!!

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06 Aug 2022
01:09:23am

re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Just to complete the coverage of the Mexico Archeology and Architecture Series, here are the stamps.
As I mentioned before, WMK identification is difficult on used stamps, so while perforations, colors, and size parameters are accounted for, it is quite possible that some of the WMK are wrong. I still have a few gaps, as one can see, but most of the stamps are in the right slots.
I still need to redo a few pages that have slots for stamps which are not part of the series, but fall within some of the category ranges.
I found a variation on the fluorescence of one stamp which is not noted in the catalog.
Please let me know if you notice any error or omission.
rrr...

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07 Aug 2022
10:24:16am

re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Rrr...

Returning to your original response/posting:

Yes, was referring to the "Archeology" series which begins with Scott C186. But also the "Architecture" series which starts with Scott 856 - 867 (1950 - 52).

Similar to the "Archeology" series, have identified many varieties for the "Architecture" series. Which (not surprisingly) are not listed/included in Scott.

You may recall the long-running series of "Mexico" columns (114 across a period of ten yrs) authored by the late Dale Pulver which appeared in Linn's. In one of his many columns Pulver cites an article written by Ignacio A. Esteva as a important resource re the A&A series. The article was published about the same time as as Linn's Introduction to the Stamps of Mexico, which was essentially a compilation of 44 of Dale's columns.

The Esteva article was supposedly published in (or by) AMEXFIL. (Found a possible contact address, and sent a short letter requesting a reprint of this article.)

Another valuable resource is an excellent database complied by SOR member Jerry Bodoff, an expert on Central and South America philately. Jerry has generously shared this "tables" with fellow philatelists for non-commercial usage.


Link to Jerry's Mexico "tables":

app.box.com/s/7ydeclbexsaekclmrrhn

To be continued.

Jim


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12:30:46pm

re: Mexico: Archeology and Architecture series

Thanks for the info Jim. The Architecture series (Sc# 856-867 etc etc) is another series with WMK nightmare ID issues.
Here too I sit on a large accumulation, part of a 1 kg of common Mexican stamps I acquired decades ago, and have had a really tough time separating the various WMK series. I am not sure how I should go about it, as these are mostly used stamps, and small in size which make the WMK virtually invisible.
Unfortunately, there are no perforation variations like the Archeology series.

I guess I will have to take another look.

Thanks for the book references. Not sure how much deeper I wish to go, but I will try to Get Dale Pulver Book if I can.
rrr....

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07 Aug 2022
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Rrr...

Will send you the Pulver book.

Stay safe.


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