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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Guatamala mystery stamps

 

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Kool

12 Jul 2022
07:52:13pm

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What are these. Are they proofs of some kind. Any help would be appreciated.Image Not Found

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12 Jul 2022
08:02:51pm

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re: Guatamala mystery stamps

look to be UPU quarter century commemoration Cinderellas. Not my field, just supposition

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13 Jul 2022
09:11:52am

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At last, something i can relate to ...i believe they are proofs of scott #62 and #63 of the 1897 Central American Expo issue. The colors of the 6 centavo are brown orange and the 10 centavo are black dull blue compared to the colors on the "proofs". These stamps are usually found overprinted "Telegrafos" and used to pay for that purpose. If they are sheetlets and not part of an envelope and you want to sell them i would be interested. phil

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Kool

14 Jul 2022
01:59:20am

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How very interesting. I think they are probably sheetlets since I don't see anything that looks like part of an envelope. Why not send me an offer via "messages" and I'll consider seriously. Kent (or Kool, as you probably realize)

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14 Jul 2022
02:14:55pm

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Hi Kent, arriving at a price from my end is difficult... the books i have on Guatemala were written a long time ago and they did not give values. I will try to find out some kind of value from the Guatemala collectors society.

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14 Jul 2022
10:11:31pm
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It is usually much easier for the owner to set a figure that he,
or she, will be satisfied with and the buyer can meet it or not.
For one thing the owner can actually see the item in living color.

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29 Dec 2022
04:27:22pm

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Named as "Guatemala - Trains" of 1897, the are -Die Proofs. I collected Guatemala some years ago.

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dell4c

29 Dec 2022
04:42:09pm

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I have the 6c on a rather poor envelope - not sure what was for

here are scans of the front and back

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Bob

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Its printed on the envelope front

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29 Dec 2022
06:39:55pm
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Could they be proofs in different colors of Guatemala Sc # 60-73? I am actually missing some of this set (50c, 75c, 150c).
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29 Dec 2022
08:40:25pm
re: Guatamala mystery stamps

Nothing so mysterious. They are simply cut-outs from a series of wrappers and envelopes.

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Issued in 1897 for "Central America Exhibition"

Envelopes H & G #9-12
2c black on lilac
6c black on pale orange
10c black on gray blue
12c black with no background

Wrappers H&G #3-4
6c black on green (this means that dell4c's "envelope" is likely open at both ends, i.e. a wrapper)
10c black on violet (shown above)

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30 Dec 2022
02:52:24pm

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As Roy comments. In the "Central America Exhibition" 1897, there were stationery, envelopes, souvenir sheets, postcards, etc. Those that I came to have in my possession were embodied in a very thick cardboard numered on back.

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Kool

12 Jul 2022
07:52:13pm

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What are these. Are they proofs of some kind. Any help would be appreciated.Image Not Found

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12 Jul 2022
08:02:51pm

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re: Guatamala mystery stamps

look to be UPU quarter century commemoration Cinderellas. Not my field, just supposition

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philb

13 Jul 2022
09:11:52am

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re: Guatamala mystery stamps

At last, something i can relate to ...i believe they are proofs of scott #62 and #63 of the 1897 Central American Expo issue. The colors of the 6 centavo are brown orange and the 10 centavo are black dull blue compared to the colors on the "proofs". These stamps are usually found overprinted "Telegrafos" and used to pay for that purpose. If they are sheetlets and not part of an envelope and you want to sell them i would be interested. phil

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Kool

14 Jul 2022
01:59:20am

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re: Guatamala mystery stamps

How very interesting. I think they are probably sheetlets since I don't see anything that looks like part of an envelope. Why not send me an offer via "messages" and I'll consider seriously. Kent (or Kool, as you probably realize)

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philb

14 Jul 2022
02:14:55pm

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re: Guatamala mystery stamps

Hi Kent, arriving at a price from my end is difficult... the books i have on Guatemala were written a long time ago and they did not give values. I will try to find out some kind of value from the Guatemala collectors society.

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"And every hair is measured like every grain of sand"

Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
14 Jul 2022
10:11:31pm

re: Guatamala mystery stamps

It is usually much easier for the owner to set a figure that he,
or she, will be satisfied with and the buyer can meet it or not.
For one thing the owner can actually see the item in living color.

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rtvstamps

29 Dec 2022
04:27:22pm

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re: Guatamala mystery stamps

Named as "Guatemala - Trains" of 1897, the are -Die Proofs. I collected Guatemala some years ago.

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dell4c

29 Dec 2022
04:42:09pm

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re: Guatamala mystery stamps

I have the 6c on a rather poor envelope - not sure what was for

here are scans of the front and back

FYI

Bob

Image Not Found

Image Not Found


Its printed on the envelope front

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rrraphy

Retired Consultant APS#186030
29 Dec 2022
06:39:55pm

re: Guatamala mystery stamps

Could they be proofs in different colors of Guatemala Sc # 60-73? I am actually missing some of this set (50c, 75c, 150c).
rrr...

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"E. Rutherford: All science is either physics or stamp collecting."

BuckaCover.com - 80,000 covers priced 60c to $1.50 - Easy browsing 500 categories
29 Dec 2022
08:40:25pm

re: Guatamala mystery stamps

Nothing so mysterious. They are simply cut-outs from a series of wrappers and envelopes.

Image Not Found

Image Not Found

Issued in 1897 for "Central America Exhibition"

Envelopes H & G #9-12
2c black on lilac
6c black on pale orange
10c black on gray blue
12c black with no background

Wrappers H&G #3-4
6c black on green (this means that dell4c's "envelope" is likely open at both ends, i.e. a wrapper)
10c black on violet (shown above)

Roy

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30 Dec 2022
02:52:24pm

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re: Guatamala mystery stamps

As Roy comments. In the "Central America Exhibition" 1897, there were stationery, envelopes, souvenir sheets, postcards, etc. Those that I came to have in my possession were embodied in a very thick cardboard numered on back.

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