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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

 

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oldtriguy1960
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07 Jun 2022
06:20:29pm
Hi all,

I was picking thru my duplicates and found these 2 in the glassine for USA 2842 $9.95 Moon Landing.
The one on the left seems to be a 2842, but what about the one on the right? The one on the right is smaller size and die cut not perforated. I didn't see anything in the Scott catalog under 2842 about there being a similar stamp with same design. Help!Image Not Found

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Jack

07 Jun 2022
07:22:50pm
re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?


Well if you had access to 8.5x11 sheets of die-cut self stick blank stamp sheets. You could scan an original and probably make replicas as good or better than the original which was a half tone process that any laser printer can duplicate.

However, I have never seen such blank die cut sheets. Doesn't mean they don't exist.


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oldtriguy1960
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07 Jun 2022
08:14:07pm
re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

Just thought of something... if it is a fake, I wonder if the cancel is fake too, or if it actually made a trip thru the postal system?

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Tom in Exton, PA

08 Jun 2022
12:49:54pm
re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

Vending machine stamp?

Note that USPS has duplicated designs (Christmas stamps come to mind) for their vending machines.

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09 Jun 2022
09:36:45pm
re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

Good thought, Tom - but these were only sold in panes of 20 from sheets of 120.

I believe the smaller stamp shown to be a counterfeit stamp.

As such, quite interesting.

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10 Jun 2022
10:04:55am
re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

Modern Printers, readily available, can produce remarkably similar bogus stamps that easily pass through diligence-shy postal systems. Fake perforations and phosphor tagging increases the challenge.
Special die cuts within the vignette are an added security as is routinely done on Machin stamps.
A few years back, when Nigerian Princes used the mails to conduct their illicit business, I collected a page of examples, of the Nigerian "stone bridge" stamp from almost genuine looking to the pathetically laughable. All were postally used from the mail system.

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HolocaustStamps

10 Jun 2022
02:49:55pm
re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

I had a bunch of pre-stamped envelopes from the 1980s that I never used because the stamp image looked like it could have easily been a sketchy photocopy.

But then I started using them last year, and no problems.

I wonder how easy it is to put bogus stamps through the system?

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10 Jun 2022
03:02:17pm

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re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

"I wonder how easy it is to put bogus stamps through the system?"


With the new matrix stamps from Great Britain probably very difficult indeed, each matrix identifies a particular stamp, which presumably is logged by the system as having been used, therefore being rejected if second usage is tried.
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Tom in Exton, PA

10 Jun 2022
07:07:37pm
re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

Like all those rolls of brand new Forever Stamps being sold on eBay and other sites?

I understand those are all Chinese countergfeits.

You'd have to wonder who would have thousands of rolls of brand new stamps to sell cheap?

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11 Jun 2022
07:32:55am
re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

It would certainly be an interesting item to own....would make a good exhibit page!

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oldtriguy1960

07 Jun 2022
06:20:29pm

Hi all,

I was picking thru my duplicates and found these 2 in the glassine for USA 2842 $9.95 Moon Landing.
The one on the left seems to be a 2842, but what about the one on the right? The one on the right is smaller size and die cut not perforated. I didn't see anything in the Scott catalog under 2842 about there being a similar stamp with same design. Help!Image Not Found

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Jack
07 Jun 2022
07:22:50pm

re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?


Well if you had access to 8.5x11 sheets of die-cut self stick blank stamp sheets. You could scan an original and probably make replicas as good or better than the original which was a half tone process that any laser printer can duplicate.

However, I have never seen such blank die cut sheets. Doesn't mean they don't exist.


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oldtriguy1960

07 Jun 2022
08:14:07pm

re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

Just thought of something... if it is a fake, I wonder if the cancel is fake too, or if it actually made a trip thru the postal system?

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Tom in Exton, PA
08 Jun 2022
12:49:54pm

re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

Vending machine stamp?

Note that USPS has duplicated designs (Christmas stamps come to mind) for their vending machines.

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APS #213005
09 Jun 2022
09:36:45pm

re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

Good thought, Tom - but these were only sold in panes of 20 from sheets of 120.

I believe the smaller stamp shown to be a counterfeit stamp.

As such, quite interesting.

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
10 Jun 2022
10:04:55am

re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

Modern Printers, readily available, can produce remarkably similar bogus stamps that easily pass through diligence-shy postal systems. Fake perforations and phosphor tagging increases the challenge.
Special die cuts within the vignette are an added security as is routinely done on Machin stamps.
A few years back, when Nigerian Princes used the mails to conduct their illicit business, I collected a page of examples, of the Nigerian "stone bridge" stamp from almost genuine looking to the pathetically laughable. All were postally used from the mail system.

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HolocaustStamps

10 Jun 2022
02:49:55pm

re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

I had a bunch of pre-stamped envelopes from the 1980s that I never used because the stamp image looked like it could have easily been a sketchy photocopy.

But then I started using them last year, and no problems.

I wonder how easy it is to put bogus stamps through the system?

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sheepshanks

10 Jun 2022
03:02:17pm

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re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

"I wonder how easy it is to put bogus stamps through the system?"


With the new matrix stamps from Great Britain probably very difficult indeed, each matrix identifies a particular stamp, which presumably is logged by the system as having been used, therefore being rejected if second usage is tried.
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Tom in Exton, PA
10 Jun 2022
07:07:37pm

re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

Like all those rolls of brand new Forever Stamps being sold on eBay and other sites?

I understand those are all Chinese countergfeits.

You'd have to wonder who would have thousands of rolls of brand new stamps to sell cheap?

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APS #213005
11 Jun 2022
07:32:55am

re: Scott USA 2842 and imposter?

It would certainly be an interesting item to own....would make a good exhibit page!

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