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06:48:51pm
"Yes but I’m having a hard time getting it certified being I’m not
just sending it off I want to do on-site grading at a show but
having trouble finding one are you aware of any place I can go
get it graded and wait for it and have it done in front of me. I
appreciate any information you could tell"
I saw a person trying to sell a very expensive stamp on a certain site. I sent him an email saying he should get it certified and this is his response. I can see his point in that he really didn't want to send it away. Is there a place he could go to have it done in person? Just curious!
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12:01:34am
USA or Canada or elsewhere ?
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08:00:42am
He / she is from "Ridley Park" PA. I have my doubts about the item and it has been listed a couple times. It's a copy of US # 613 and the asking price is an enormous $120 000. It's hard to believe anyone would consider spending that huge amount without a certificate!! It's actually hard to imagine spending that kind of money even with a certificate!!
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According to Bardo (USA stamp cat.) it lists for $30.000, seems to me that the asking price is a bit overboard for this
particular stamp, then again, someone said...there's a sucker born every minute.
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The thought occurs that this person lives in the same state as APS headquarters. Perhaps a three hour drive (?) would get them there, and they likely could make an advance arrangement to determine if APS would do such an in-person evaluation. If not, perhaps they could hand deliver it and personally retrieve the stamp and certificate/opinion when the experts had huddled and reached consensus.
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01:54:54pm
Tom, thanks! I cut and pasted your advice to the person - whether they try to follow it, or not, is totally their choice.
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note the person is mixxing certification and grading
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03:50:35pm
"note the person is mixxing certification and grading"
I don't think he has a clue about stamps - he mostly sells other things. I think he's waiting for a sucker to show up with a large offer!
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05:21:34pm
If he hasn't got a clue, and hasn't done a careful comparison with a flat plate perf 11, then, considering that there were 1.5 billion flat plates printed, against around 50 known rotary perf 11 printings, he is like a guy that picks up a piece of quartz on a beach and insists that it must be a diamond.
If I had it, and had done the careful comparison, I'd put together my picture documentation, and contact Robert A. Siegel auctioneers. if they were convinced by the documentation, they would be happy to make the appointment to have a look at it in person like he wants. Without documentation, he's just another flake who thinks he must have the rare variety, ignoring the fact that 1.5 billion of the common variety were printed.
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06:14:13pm
He shows a picture of the perfs and then just casually gives the right dimensions for #613 without showing a ruler next to the appropriate dimension. That tells me he is playing games. That's why I told him that no one would spend that kind of money without a certificate. He's posting it on Ruby Lane, an excellent sight I use mostly for antiques. He's posted it there more than once and this is the second time I've contacted him. The site prides itself (supposedly) for it's honesty. If the item remains there for a while I will contact the site itself and lodge a complaint. I'm fed up with people playing games with this wonderful hobby of ours! Maybe I'm being too sensitive but sometimes I get really ticked. 
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Having looked at the stamps available for sale on Ruby Lane. The seller mentioned is not the only one that you would have to "report" Joe.
It would appear that most antique sellers selling stamps on that site have no idea what they have and the over exaggeration of prices is commonplace.
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Antique Dealers— One shop in NJ had a Genuine original 1955 Chevy model car kit. Wanted $200.
I tried to help.. there actually were no model car kits of this car in 1955, they all came later. I explain that to him and I see he’s not reacting well. I further offer that the box he has, has both a zip code and a bar code on it. At that point he starts yelling that I know nothing about collectibles and to get the hell out of his store!
Going further the company name and address dated to the 1980s. The kit he had was worth $20 tops.
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Trying to explain to anyone that they have overpriced an item is pointless.
What I do is check out their other items just in case their idiocy works the other way. I have bought a few bargains this way.
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10:15:16am
I'm backing out of it now. I've given my advice, that's all I can do. No real collector would ever buy that stamp anyway, I hope! 
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I would report it.
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02:42:20pm
It gets worse. I finally looked up the stamp on rubylane.com
It is unused, full gum. If it were genuine, it would be the first one ever found (all other ~48 copies in the population census are used).
Also, the gum does not show any of the characteristics of a rotary press printing (i.e. striations from the "gum breakers" that prevent the sheet from curling after gumming).
If it were actually an unused 613, it would be an enormous philatelic event, on par with finding the third Canada #32 (2c Large Queen on Laid paper) or a second 90c Lincoln (Scott #122) on cover (only one cover known).
Roy
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Not quite on the same scale this bright spark has this QEII 4c with the 5 c overprint listed as an error.
This 5c stamp error was printed as a 4c stamp good condition must have
Only wants $80.00.
I told him to get a stamp catalogue and how much they were really worth.
Brian
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A 5 cent overprint of a 4 cent definitive might catalog a little bit higher than the 4 cent but not much. The 4 cent is common and would catalog at probably .25 US. The overprint .35-.50 cents. Certainly not 80 dollars.
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22 Apr 2022
06:48:51pm
"Yes but I’m having a hard time getting it certified being I’m not
just sending it off I want to do on-site grading at a show but
having trouble finding one are you aware of any place I can go
get it graded and wait for it and have it done in front of me. I
appreciate any information you could tell"
I saw a person trying to sell a very expensive stamp on a certain site. I sent him an email saying he should get it certified and this is his response. I can see his point in that he really didn't want to send it away. Is there a place he could go to have it done in person? Just curious!
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23 Apr 2022
12:01:34am
re: Can anyone help this person?
USA or Canada or elsewhere ?
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23 Apr 2022
08:00:42am
re: Can anyone help this person?
He / she is from "Ridley Park" PA. I have my doubts about the item and it has been listed a couple times. It's a copy of US # 613 and the asking price is an enormous $120 000. It's hard to believe anyone would consider spending that huge amount without a certificate!! It's actually hard to imagine spending that kind of money even with a certificate!!
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re: Can anyone help this person?
According to Bardo (USA stamp cat.) it lists for $30.000, seems to me that the asking price is a bit overboard for this
particular stamp, then again, someone said...there's a sucker born every minute.
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01:17:47pm
re: Can anyone help this person?
The thought occurs that this person lives in the same state as APS headquarters. Perhaps a three hour drive (?) would get them there, and they likely could make an advance arrangement to determine if APS would do such an in-person evaluation. If not, perhaps they could hand deliver it and personally retrieve the stamp and certificate/opinion when the experts had huddled and reached consensus.
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23 Apr 2022
01:54:54pm
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Tom, thanks! I cut and pasted your advice to the person - whether they try to follow it, or not, is totally their choice.
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note the person is mixxing certification and grading
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23 Apr 2022
03:50:35pm
re: Can anyone help this person?
"note the person is mixxing certification and grading"
I don't think he has a clue about stamps - he mostly sells other things. I think he's waiting for a sucker to show up with a large offer!
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23 Apr 2022
05:21:34pm
re: Can anyone help this person?
If he hasn't got a clue, and hasn't done a careful comparison with a flat plate perf 11, then, considering that there were 1.5 billion flat plates printed, against around 50 known rotary perf 11 printings, he is like a guy that picks up a piece of quartz on a beach and insists that it must be a diamond.
If I had it, and had done the careful comparison, I'd put together my picture documentation, and contact Robert A. Siegel auctioneers. if they were convinced by the documentation, they would be happy to make the appointment to have a look at it in person like he wants. Without documentation, he's just another flake who thinks he must have the rare variety, ignoring the fact that 1.5 billion of the common variety were printed.
Roy
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23 Apr 2022
06:14:13pm
re: Can anyone help this person?
He shows a picture of the perfs and then just casually gives the right dimensions for #613 without showing a ruler next to the appropriate dimension. That tells me he is playing games. That's why I told him that no one would spend that kind of money without a certificate. He's posting it on Ruby Lane, an excellent sight I use mostly for antiques. He's posted it there more than once and this is the second time I've contacted him. The site prides itself (supposedly) for it's honesty. If the item remains there for a while I will contact the site itself and lodge a complaint. I'm fed up with people playing games with this wonderful hobby of ours! Maybe I'm being too sensitive but sometimes I get really ticked.
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08:20:59pm
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re: Can anyone help this person?
Having looked at the stamps available for sale on Ruby Lane. The seller mentioned is not the only one that you would have to "report" Joe.
It would appear that most antique sellers selling stamps on that site have no idea what they have and the over exaggeration of prices is commonplace.
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re: Can anyone help this person?
Antique Dealers— One shop in NJ had a Genuine original 1955 Chevy model car kit. Wanted $200.
I tried to help.. there actually were no model car kits of this car in 1955, they all came later. I explain that to him and I see he’s not reacting well. I further offer that the box he has, has both a zip code and a bar code on it. At that point he starts yelling that I know nothing about collectibles and to get the hell out of his store!
Going further the company name and address dated to the 1980s. The kit he had was worth $20 tops.
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re: Can anyone help this person?
Trying to explain to anyone that they have overpriced an item is pointless.
What I do is check out their other items just in case their idiocy works the other way. I have bought a few bargains this way.
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24 Apr 2022
10:15:16am
re: Can anyone help this person?
I'm backing out of it now. I've given my advice, that's all I can do. No real collector would ever buy that stamp anyway, I hope!
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I would report it.
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24 Apr 2022
02:42:20pm
re: Can anyone help this person?
It gets worse. I finally looked up the stamp on rubylane.com
It is unused, full gum. If it were genuine, it would be the first one ever found (all other ~48 copies in the population census are used).
Also, the gum does not show any of the characteristics of a rotary press printing (i.e. striations from the "gum breakers" that prevent the sheet from curling after gumming).
If it were actually an unused 613, it would be an enormous philatelic event, on par with finding the third Canada #32 (2c Large Queen on Laid paper) or a second 90c Lincoln (Scott #122) on cover (only one cover known).
Roy
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Not quite on the same scale this bright spark has this QEII 4c with the 5 c overprint listed as an error.
This 5c stamp error was printed as a 4c stamp good condition must have
Only wants $80.00.
I told him to get a stamp catalogue and how much they were really worth.
Brian
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04:29:09pm
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A 5 cent overprint of a 4 cent definitive might catalog a little bit higher than the 4 cent but not much. The 4 cent is common and would catalog at probably .25 US. The overprint .35-.50 cents. Certainly not 80 dollars.
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