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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Channel Island Overprints

 

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2010ccg

26 Mar 2022
07:28:19am
I have been working on my King Edward Vlll collection of stamps and covers.
I came across several Channel Island overprints(Guernsey,Jersey and Herm) used with the German symbol and year 1944.
I know that the Germans invaded the Island hoping to eventually invade England. My question is two fold
Are these bogus issues and by whom ?
If actually overprinted by the Germans why would they use Edward Vlll stamps and not George Vl?
Any information is appreciated. I don`t have the stamps or I would post them to show you.
Thanks for your info
Cheryl
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26 Mar 2022
07:46:27am
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There's a guy in Arizona that churns out these fakes. I've taken him to task many times but he doesn't care

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2010ccg

26 Mar 2022
08:41:21am
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It was the Herm stamp issue that turned the lightbulb on as I do collect Cinderellas . When did he start to sell these fakes ? This seller seems to be from Texas but that could be fake as well

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26 Mar 2022
09:23:41am
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Even though the stamps are faked, I wonder if the EVIII usage was the creator's "wink-wink, nudge-nudge" nod to the (alleged) collaboration of Eddie and Wallis with zee Germans after his abdication.... if so, it IS sort of an appropriate canvas.

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Brechinite

26 Mar 2022
02:46:45pm
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These items have been on the market for decades.

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26 Mar 2022
05:34:51pm
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Any chance you could post a picture?

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26 Mar 2022
07:13:49pm
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26 Mar 2022
08:00:50pm
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Those are definitely fake. There was an attempt to offer KGVI stamps with swastika overprints in the Channel Islands, but that never happened and examples are exceedingly rare. Channel Islands occupation covers supposedly posted by Germans using German stamps can be found occasionally, but they are all fakes: German soldiers used the German Feldpost system for their mail, and civilians had to rely on the Red Cross message scheme to communicate with friends and family outside the islands. But the legitimate stamps and covers that do exist are certainly worth studying. See my web page, The Channel Islands at War — Postage stamps as instruments of resistance.

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27 Mar 2022
06:08:53am
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" .... These items have been on the market
for decades. ...."


Well, fakes or not, I think they look neat among
pages of ED VIII issues.
They give the opportunity to discuss the short
star-crossed reign of Mrs. Simpson's lover and
Nazi sympathizer when showing that part of a
collection to a non philatelic acquaintance.
The hysterical historical impact of such labels is
just as interesting as the thousands of contrived
souvenir Jam-Jar labels produced with instant
cancellations by the Sand Dunes, Iron Curtains,
and nations of questionable philatelic virtue.

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27 Mar 2022
03:31:29pm
re: Channel Island Overprints

Charlie (cdj1122), I couldn't agree more! When I finally took the plunge into the satisfying waters of exhibiting, I knew that the only APS exhibiting class I would be happy with was Display Class, which allows all manner of items to be displayed in addition to philatelic material — postcards, receipts, airline tickets, baggage labels, telegrams, tobacco cards, photographs, maps, ticket stubs, and even fakes and bogus issues. One of my exhibits includes an empty pack of WW2 "Corvette" cigarettes; the exhibit won a vermeil (small gold) medal.

A few years ago, I bought a bogus souvenir sheet "issued" by "Zaire / Democratic Republic of Congo," picturing among other movie stars Jane Fonda, who of course earned the enmity of a generation of America Vietnam veterans when she travelled to Hanoi in North Vietnam and was photographed posing with a Chinese anti-aircraft gun and surrounded by smiling Vietnamese (or possibly Chinese) soldiers. It was those same types of anti-aircraft guns which shot down hundreds of American aircraft throughout the Vietnam War.

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While I am a Vietnam veteran, and Jane is certainly no hero of mine, her visit to Hanoi amounted to a huge tactical error and she certainly suffered a big blow to her career, but she was, after all, not alone in her feelings about the war. At that time, the United States was deeply involved in conflict between its Hawks, some of whom would have blown Vietnam off the map with nuclear weapons, and its Doves, who believed the war to be not just illegal but an unconscionable waste of human lives and resources. By the time I was evacuated from Vietnam, after being wounded, I myself believed that the war itself was a far worse mistake than Jane Fonda's poor public relations stunt would become. In any event….

lt seemed unlikely that I would never find a legitimate postage stamp featuring Jane Fonda, so if I ever wanted to do a presentation, a web page, or an exhibit about the Vietnam War and its protest culture, I'd need some stamp-like item, and found the "souvenir sheet" shown above.

Bob

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2010ccg

26 Mar 2022
07:28:19am

I have been working on my King Edward Vlll collection of stamps and covers.
I came across several Channel Island overprints(Guernsey,Jersey and Herm) used with the German symbol and year 1944.
I know that the Germans invaded the Island hoping to eventually invade England. My question is two fold
Are these bogus issues and by whom ?
If actually overprinted by the Germans why would they use Edward Vlll stamps and not George Vl?
Any information is appreciated. I don`t have the stamps or I would post them to show you.
Thanks for your info
Cheryl

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26 Mar 2022
07:46:27am

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There's a guy in Arizona that churns out these fakes. I've taken him to task many times but he doesn't care

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2010ccg

26 Mar 2022
08:41:21am

re: Channel Island Overprints

It was the Herm stamp issue that turned the lightbulb on as I do collect Cinderellas . When did he start to sell these fakes ? This seller seems to be from Texas but that could be fake as well

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26 Mar 2022
09:23:41am

re: Channel Island Overprints

Even though the stamps are faked, I wonder if the EVIII usage was the creator's "wink-wink, nudge-nudge" nod to the (alleged) collaboration of Eddie and Wallis with zee Germans after his abdication.... if so, it IS sort of an appropriate canvas.

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Brechinite

26 Mar 2022
02:46:45pm

re: Channel Island Overprints

These items have been on the market for decades.

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26 Mar 2022
05:34:51pm

re: Channel Island Overprints

Any chance you could post a picture?

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2010ccg

26 Mar 2022
07:13:49pm

re: Channel Island Overprints

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26 Mar 2022
08:00:50pm

re: Channel Island Overprints

Those are definitely fake. There was an attempt to offer KGVI stamps with swastika overprints in the Channel Islands, but that never happened and examples are exceedingly rare. Channel Islands occupation covers supposedly posted by Germans using German stamps can be found occasionally, but they are all fakes: German soldiers used the German Feldpost system for their mail, and civilians had to rely on the Red Cross message scheme to communicate with friends and family outside the islands. But the legitimate stamps and covers that do exist are certainly worth studying. See my web page, The Channel Islands at War — Postage stamps as instruments of resistance.

Bob

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27 Mar 2022
06:08:53am

re: Channel Island Overprints

" .... These items have been on the market
for decades. ...."


Well, fakes or not, I think they look neat among
pages of ED VIII issues.
They give the opportunity to discuss the short
star-crossed reign of Mrs. Simpson's lover and
Nazi sympathizer when showing that part of a
collection to a non philatelic acquaintance.
The hysterical historical impact of such labels is
just as interesting as the thousands of contrived
souvenir Jam-Jar labels produced with instant
cancellations by the Sand Dunes, Iron Curtains,
and nations of questionable philatelic virtue.

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27 Mar 2022
03:31:29pm

re: Channel Island Overprints

Charlie (cdj1122), I couldn't agree more! When I finally took the plunge into the satisfying waters of exhibiting, I knew that the only APS exhibiting class I would be happy with was Display Class, which allows all manner of items to be displayed in addition to philatelic material — postcards, receipts, airline tickets, baggage labels, telegrams, tobacco cards, photographs, maps, ticket stubs, and even fakes and bogus issues. One of my exhibits includes an empty pack of WW2 "Corvette" cigarettes; the exhibit won a vermeil (small gold) medal.

A few years ago, I bought a bogus souvenir sheet "issued" by "Zaire / Democratic Republic of Congo," picturing among other movie stars Jane Fonda, who of course earned the enmity of a generation of America Vietnam veterans when she travelled to Hanoi in North Vietnam and was photographed posing with a Chinese anti-aircraft gun and surrounded by smiling Vietnamese (or possibly Chinese) soldiers. It was those same types of anti-aircraft guns which shot down hundreds of American aircraft throughout the Vietnam War.

Image Not Found

While I am a Vietnam veteran, and Jane is certainly no hero of mine, her visit to Hanoi amounted to a huge tactical error and she certainly suffered a big blow to her career, but she was, after all, not alone in her feelings about the war. At that time, the United States was deeply involved in conflict between its Hawks, some of whom would have blown Vietnam off the map with nuclear weapons, and its Doves, who believed the war to be not just illegal but an unconscionable waste of human lives and resources. By the time I was evacuated from Vietnam, after being wounded, I myself believed that the war itself was a far worse mistake than Jane Fonda's poor public relations stunt would become. In any event….

lt seemed unlikely that I would never find a legitimate postage stamp featuring Jane Fonda, so if I ever wanted to do a presentation, a web page, or an exhibit about the Vietnam War and its protest culture, I'd need some stamp-like item, and found the "souvenir sheet" shown above.

Bob

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