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It was mounted on a page of Ukraine stamps but could not find it.
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10:54:36am
it is Russia Scott B36, not Ukraine.
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I honestly think it was an innocent stamp comment with nothing political intended. Please don't delete the post, we really should try to keep politics out of this hobby of ours! It was only about stamps, I'm positive!!
Of course, some of you know the person posting much better than I do, and if it was meant as a political comment then it was disgusting and should be omitted. I know I can't have it both ways, which is why the person in charge gets to make the decision and not me!
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FYI, I deleted my response to angore’s question.
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"... FYI, I deleted my response to angore’s question....."
Which just makes me all the more curious.
But, Rules are Rules.
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I'm against censorship but a stamp forum is not the place for a political debate.
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I have a great deal of trouble (as I am sure many do) with groups of mixed stamps featuring Cyrillic writing... for now, I'm concentrating on the backlog of English-language stamps!
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I guess I'm an oddball - I like identifying them!
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My youngest daughter's best friend from University is Ukrainian - came to Canada in 2015. Her biological father, who stayed behind, was an early victim of the Russian invasion. Hence my (now self-deleted) post was a bit aggressive and accusatory - best assigned to the delete bin on sober second thought.
Anyway, she looked at my stamp collection and gave me a quick tutorial in pronunciation of Cyrillic letters/combinations/words. It was very helpful and - like Randy - I now enjoy poking through these previously indecipherable stamps.
Give it a try - there's probably something on Google and it is very worthwhile.
Cheers, Dave.
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The illustrated identifier in the Scott Catalogues is a good tool for identifying cryllic-inscribed stamps. A stamp from the set of the stamp in question here is contained in the identifier.
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I'd recommend anyone who is interesting in identifying stamps like this to take an hour or two to learn the Cyrillic alphabet.
Anyone who knows a little Greek (even if it's only the use of Greek letters in maths or science) will recognise many similarities.
As an example, at the top left of Angore's stamp we see five letters. These are the Cyrillic equivalents of our "RSFSR", used to represent the communist Russian Federation before the USSR/Soviet Union was proclaimed.
The Cyrillic letters for our R and F are the same as in Greek (rho and phi) and the the Cyrillic letter for S is an old form of the Greek sigma.
The word at the bottom includes Cyrillic equivalents for our "GOLODA...M" where again all these letters are similar to the equivalent Greek letters.
OK, the other three letters are very different but it doesn't take long to learn them (and these are similar in sound to our Yu, Shch and I).
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In my case, I am creating a stamp from every country (actually more like historcial postal administration) collection so had a few stamps from Ukraine. The closest I come to Cyrillic is Cyprus (may be wrong on that too) and these are easy to identify. With Colnect, I usually rely just the printed denomination but the stamp did not have one.
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All Ukraine stamps issued before they joined the USSR in 1923 contained the Trident in the design. No Trident, not Ukraine.
The inscription at top left is RSFSR, Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic. This is a 1922 Famine Relief stamp from Russia.
I use Google Translate and the inbuilt Cyrillic keyboard
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Michael's suggestion regarding using the illustrated identifier in the Scott Catalogue is a good one. I might also suggest Linn's Stamp Identifier. It is a 190 page booklet that has an alphabetical listing of stamp inscriptions, Greek and Cyrillic inscriptions, the Greek, Cyrillic, Hindi, Gujarati and Oriya alphabets. Also a great number of pages of difficult to identify stamps.
Edited by Donna O'Keefe and Rick Miller. My copy is the 2004 edition. If you can find one, it is one of the best stamp identifiers around.
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I agree with Mel - the Linn's identifier is a must-have.
I have numerous other identifiers by numerous other publishers, but I think Linn's has the most coverage.
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Well, when I do get around to the Cyrillic stuff, I think I'll hunt up that Linn's ID book. The biggest issue for me comes when trying to sort mixed stamps, or when I strip a feeder catalog and the previous owner has placed stamps incorrectly... first they get grouped together by country, then later on, I'm trying to find the stamp in the wrong catalog section.
The historic instabilities of these countries also make it difficult to keep track of who overprinted what on whose stamps over the years, and which issues are "legitimate". The foreign languages/lettering certainly makes it more challenging, which might be part of why Randy and Dave enjoy identifying them. I have enjoyed some of the "simpler" and short-lived dead countries of the region.
When I started collecting a couple of years ago, I bit off a LOT more than I probably should have. I am now gravitating toward certain other countries and regions, so these Cyrillic stamps don't get nearly the attention of those with "most favored nation status" in my albums!
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" ... The historic instabilities of these countries
also make it difficult to keep track of who over
printed what on whose stamps over the years, ..."
Just wait till you try to decipher Chinese junks and Missionaroes.
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Ha! I think I'll master Cyrillic before I manage those junks! At the recommendation of the group, I did look for a copy of Linn's Identifier, and found one reasonably cheap. Hopefully it is as "like new" as advertised... and that it actually arrives from the bookseller!
When I do get around to them, I'll be prepared!
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What do you consider "reasonably cheap"? If so, where? I wonder what is the latest edition.
I also want to get the Linn's Stamp Almanac?
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If an older edition would suffice, you can get a 1993 for $12 from Atlanta at Abebooks. https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDet ...
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That link to the stamp paraphernalia website shows "out of stock", but I got my copy of the 2004 version on Biblio.com for $18 from a seller in Florida. Most of the other sellers on the various used book sites are asking between $47-$125 for this title with the 1993 edition being cheaper than the 2004 edition.
Scottonline.com is offering a digital copy of the 2004 edition for $7, but I'm a fan of actual paper books. My philatelic "library" still fits under my coffee table, so it's also an excuse to add more titles!
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I have the Linn's book and I like it. Another great identification book is The Stamp Collector's Encyclopaedia by R. J. Sutton 379 pages. Mine is the 1966 edition.
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I need help identifying this.
It was mounted on a page of Ukraine stamps but could not find it.
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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
27 Feb 2022
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it is Russia Scott B36, not Ukraine.
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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
27 Feb 2022
06:38:25pm
re: Ukraine?
I honestly think it was an innocent stamp comment with nothing political intended. Please don't delete the post, we really should try to keep politics out of this hobby of ours! It was only about stamps, I'm positive!!
Of course, some of you know the person posting much better than I do, and if it was meant as a political comment then it was disgusting and should be omitted. I know I can't have it both ways, which is why the person in charge gets to make the decision and not me!
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FYI, I deleted my response to angore’s question.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
28 Feb 2022
12:36:54am
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"... FYI, I deleted my response to angore’s question....."
Which just makes me all the more curious.
But, Rules are Rules.
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I'm against censorship but a stamp forum is not the place for a political debate.
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I have a great deal of trouble (as I am sure many do) with groups of mixed stamps featuring Cyrillic writing... for now, I'm concentrating on the backlog of English-language stamps!
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I guess I'm an oddball - I like identifying them!
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My youngest daughter's best friend from University is Ukrainian - came to Canada in 2015. Her biological father, who stayed behind, was an early victim of the Russian invasion. Hence my (now self-deleted) post was a bit aggressive and accusatory - best assigned to the delete bin on sober second thought.
Anyway, she looked at my stamp collection and gave me a quick tutorial in pronunciation of Cyrillic letters/combinations/words. It was very helpful and - like Randy - I now enjoy poking through these previously indecipherable stamps.
Give it a try - there's probably something on Google and it is very worthwhile.
Cheers, Dave.
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re: Ukraine?
The illustrated identifier in the Scott Catalogues is a good tool for identifying cryllic-inscribed stamps. A stamp from the set of the stamp in question here is contained in the identifier.
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re: Ukraine?
I'd recommend anyone who is interesting in identifying stamps like this to take an hour or two to learn the Cyrillic alphabet.
Anyone who knows a little Greek (even if it's only the use of Greek letters in maths or science) will recognise many similarities.
As an example, at the top left of Angore's stamp we see five letters. These are the Cyrillic equivalents of our "RSFSR", used to represent the communist Russian Federation before the USSR/Soviet Union was proclaimed.
The Cyrillic letters for our R and F are the same as in Greek (rho and phi) and the the Cyrillic letter for S is an old form of the Greek sigma.
The word at the bottom includes Cyrillic equivalents for our "GOLODA...M" where again all these letters are similar to the equivalent Greek letters.
OK, the other three letters are very different but it doesn't take long to learn them (and these are similar in sound to our Yu, Shch and I).
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re: Ukraine?
In my case, I am creating a stamp from every country (actually more like historcial postal administration) collection so had a few stamps from Ukraine. The closest I come to Cyrillic is Cyprus (may be wrong on that too) and these are easy to identify. With Colnect, I usually rely just the printed denomination but the stamp did not have one.
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re: Ukraine?
All Ukraine stamps issued before they joined the USSR in 1923 contained the Trident in the design. No Trident, not Ukraine.
The inscription at top left is RSFSR, Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic. This is a 1922 Famine Relief stamp from Russia.
I use Google Translate and the inbuilt Cyrillic keyboard
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Michael's suggestion regarding using the illustrated identifier in the Scott Catalogue is a good one. I might also suggest Linn's Stamp Identifier. It is a 190 page booklet that has an alphabetical listing of stamp inscriptions, Greek and Cyrillic inscriptions, the Greek, Cyrillic, Hindi, Gujarati and Oriya alphabets. Also a great number of pages of difficult to identify stamps.
Edited by Donna O'Keefe and Rick Miller. My copy is the 2004 edition. If you can find one, it is one of the best stamp identifiers around.
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I agree with Mel - the Linn's identifier is a must-have.
I have numerous other identifiers by numerous other publishers, but I think Linn's has the most coverage.
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Well, when I do get around to the Cyrillic stuff, I think I'll hunt up that Linn's ID book. The biggest issue for me comes when trying to sort mixed stamps, or when I strip a feeder catalog and the previous owner has placed stamps incorrectly... first they get grouped together by country, then later on, I'm trying to find the stamp in the wrong catalog section.
The historic instabilities of these countries also make it difficult to keep track of who overprinted what on whose stamps over the years, and which issues are "legitimate". The foreign languages/lettering certainly makes it more challenging, which might be part of why Randy and Dave enjoy identifying them. I have enjoyed some of the "simpler" and short-lived dead countries of the region.
When I started collecting a couple of years ago, I bit off a LOT more than I probably should have. I am now gravitating toward certain other countries and regions, so these Cyrillic stamps don't get nearly the attention of those with "most favored nation status" in my albums!
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
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" ... The historic instabilities of these countries
also make it difficult to keep track of who over
printed what on whose stamps over the years, ..."
Just wait till you try to decipher Chinese junks and Missionaroes.
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re: Ukraine?
Ha! I think I'll master Cyrillic before I manage those junks! At the recommendation of the group, I did look for a copy of Linn's Identifier, and found one reasonably cheap. Hopefully it is as "like new" as advertised... and that it actually arrives from the bookseller!
When I do get around to them, I'll be prepared!
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What do you consider "reasonably cheap"? If so, where? I wonder what is the latest edition.
I also want to get the Linn's Stamp Almanac?
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If an older edition would suffice, you can get a 1993 for $12 from Atlanta at Abebooks. https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDet ...
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That link to the stamp paraphernalia website shows "out of stock", but I got my copy of the 2004 version on Biblio.com for $18 from a seller in Florida. Most of the other sellers on the various used book sites are asking between $47-$125 for this title with the 1993 edition being cheaper than the 2004 edition.
Scottonline.com is offering a digital copy of the 2004 edition for $7, but I'm a fan of actual paper books. My philatelic "library" still fits under my coffee table, so it's also an excuse to add more titles!
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I have the Linn's book and I like it. Another great identification book is The Stamp Collector's Encyclopaedia by R. J. Sutton 379 pages. Mine is the 1966 edition.
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