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Sales, Swaps, Auction & Approvals/Approvals Disc. : The fog

 

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copy55555
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23 Feb 2022
11:35:32am
What's with the blurry out of focus approval pages? Or are my eyes finally going away?

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23 Feb 2022
01:18:07pm
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The seller with the foggy images has posted before saying he is having trouble with his camera or scanner. I'm willing to give him some leeway and see if he can straighten things out. He won't sell much unless he does!!

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23 Feb 2022
01:42:58pm
re: The fog

I think these books should be withdrawn and reworked.
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23 Feb 2022
02:09:43pm

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"The seller with the foggy images has posted before saying he is having trouble with his camera or scanner. "



This was said sometime ago and the seller does not seem to want to do anything to get better images.

This seller should not be allowed to sell anything until they can provide better images.

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23 Feb 2022
03:00:55pm
re: The fog

Actually, he seems to be doing quite well! One of his books is 33% sold, not too bad when you can't even tell what shape the stamps are in.

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23 Feb 2022
03:12:31pm
re: The fog

"This seller should not be allowed to sell anything until they can provide better images."



It is the job of the moderator!
Harvey, I guess at 2c to 5c a stamp, some folks are willing to buy blindfolded.
I really wonder how folks buy with this as a guide:
Image Not Found
Worldwide too, in random order!

On the other hand, does not seem to be much moderating, so anything goes. (damn Nail Biting I must have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed!). I understand that Approval book moderators only respond to complaints.
rrr...

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23 Feb 2022
06:00:22pm
re: The fog

It is interesting that the FOG booklet is receiving attention in the same week as the French Booklet of d1stamperClearly the latter is the Mona Lisa of Approval Booklets.What is surprising and even possibly alarming is that both booklets the Mona Lisa and The FOG have sold almost the same number of items.The contents of the booklets are as different as the presentations so it is an apples and oranges kind of comparison but there must be a number of members who are interested in buying surprise items and who take great joy in material with missing perforations and nibbled corners......sometimes called fillers.

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25 Feb 2022
11:17:05pm
re: The fog

I thought it could not get worse, but take a look at the scans of the latest : Book #23391: Austria Mixed
Help......
rrr....

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26 Feb 2022
12:05:27am

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re: The fog

I do not understand the need to berate the seller? I thought the general rule was if you do not like the stamps or presentation do not buy them.

It seems counter to the wanted friendly atmosphere to continue to berate someone when you are not buying from them but others are.

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Tim
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26 Feb 2022
01:29:11am
re: The fog

I agree with dell4c. The auctioneers are well aware of the situation and are working with the seller to assist. In the end, if you are not comfortable with the view of the stamps on offer, don't buy them.

Regards ... Tim.

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26 Feb 2022
11:44:44am
re: The fog

From STAMPORAMA AUCTION AND APPROVAL BOOK RULES:

E. Unacceptable Listing Practices:
E1. The following listing practices are considered unacceptable, and may result in summary closure of an auction lot:
e. Image not provided, when required, or poorly created (representative, too dark, out of focus, too small, improperly cropped, etc.)


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26 Feb 2022
01:32:09pm
re: The fog

I agree that it should not be personal, which is why I avoided listing the name of the seller. I even cropped the listing name that features his/her name prominently to avoid making it personal.

We have rules.

"From STAMPORAMA AUCTION AND APPROVAL BOOK RULES:

E. Unacceptable Listing Practices:
E1. The following listing practices are considered unacceptable, and may result in summary closure of an auction lot:
e. Image not provided, when required, or poorly created (representative, too dark, out of focus, too small, improperly cropped, etc.)
"



So don't pick on the messenger and implement the rules. This was exactly what was discussed and set up in the rules when Approvals was developed. If the moderators don't do their jobs, it puts the members who speak up in the very uncomfortable position of criticizing fellow members. Trust me, it is not a comfortable position to be in.
The Club is nearing the renewal of memberships time and it is imperative that the quality of the experience here be maintained, less we will lose many members.

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Brechinite

26 Feb 2022
07:28:50pm

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re: The fog

I notice that the aforementioned "fuzzy" Book has been removed.

Will the other eight be removed please or at least be de-activated.

I agree with rrraphy that it does the image (pardon the pun) of Stamporama no good.

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27 Feb 2022
06:38:23am
re: The fog

Some people diminish the quality of my StampoRama experience . . .

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27 Feb 2022
09:52:21am
re: The fog

The quality and the integrity of the site is in my opinion being compromised;I can ignore the Fog offerings but potential new members and visitors see this material and it does not bode well for new growth and new memberships.

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27 Feb 2022
10:07:48am

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re: The fog

Smauggie, i agree, its not only the "fog" but the CONDITION of the stamps he sells.

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27 Feb 2022
10:33:28am
re: The fog

Phil,

I'm not sure that was what he was referring to ...

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27 Feb 2022
11:01:26am
re: The fog

Does he live in an area where some member can give him a hand? I would never buy from him since you really can't tell the condition of the stamps, but I notice that some sellers show stamps with obvious damage that is not mentioned. That doesn't bother me a whole lot as long as the damage is evident but it does go against the rules. If we enforce the rules in one instance it should be done in all others, as long as a warning is given first!

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Brechinite

27 Feb 2022
11:47:12am

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re: The fog

The only reason these fuzzy items are selling is they are chirppy chirppy cheap cheep!

It would appear that the images of the fuzzy books have been taken by phone rather than a scanner.

So much for the "great" technology of mobiles.

Yes you can read,

yes you can take photos of mountains and folkies but don't try stamps.

You can even speak to people far away but don't take photos of stamps.

So much for all the hard work Tim put in to make the system "phone" friendly. Just don't take photos of stamps.

If any one really wants to know who is buying these items you can use the Stamporama system to find out.....if you know how to. (spooky)



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27 Feb 2022
12:30:14pm
re: The fog

"Just don't take photos of stamps."


I assume you were implying "with a phone", but I just wanted to say that it is possible to take good quality photos of stamps using a good quality camera with proper lighting and a copy stand. Here is a crop from a photo of 25 stamps taken with my camera. My camera captures images in much less time than my scanner.

Image Not Found

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27 Feb 2022
12:50:29pm

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Musicman, if so i stand corrected !

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27 Feb 2022
01:27:54pm
re: The fog

I have used a cellphone camera many times to take photos of stamps and covers to use for posting here, and it works fine.

The lots referred to originally in this thread were taken with an actual camera.

We continue to work behind the scenes to address and correct this.

Please allow us the time to do so.

Not everything in this world of "instant gratification" happens instantly.

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Brechinite

27 Feb 2022
02:43:36pm

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re: The fog

Further investigation reveals that the "fuzziness" started about July 2021. Only on the Approval Books. Individual stamps were fine but anything over 5 or 6 items started to be less clear.

This member should have been advised that the quality of picture had declined and help offered to them before now.

As rrraphy intimated it should not be left to individual members to complain but something like this could have been picked up earlier.

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28 Feb 2022
06:35:44pm
re: The fog

"As rrraphy intimated it should not be left to individual members to complain but something like this could have been picked up earlier."



It seems to me, Ian, as if you are demanding a specific service which StampoRama is not set up to provide. This website is staffed entirely by volunteers. StampoRama has to be a place of communication and cooperation. As a moderator I try my best, in concert with the other volunteers to find a balance that works.

I don't think StampoRama needs a Philatelic Police Force. That is my opinion.
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28 Feb 2022
08:17:03pm

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Yes it is run by volunteers and what they do to provide this service is undeniably worthwile and appreciated.

However my point is that these "fuzzy" images have been appearing at least since July 2021. ie for seven months

Yes there maybe extenuating circumstances for this individual but for how long is this "situation" going to continue?

If we all supplied "fuzzy" images the site would be a laughing stock.

I said that this could have been picked up earlier.

I now know that in this case it had been but it appears that despite the help and advice given to the individual concerned the "situation" continues.

I am not suggesting a police force but surely the volunteers see the same things as other members.

The basic problem is "Poor Communication" between the Management Team themselves and the members. In my opinion most of the criticisms and complaints are due to this lack of communication.

May I be so bold to suggest that the "Management Team" post a Monthly or Bi-monthly report on how Stamporama is progressing, what problems have arisen and what they are planning for the future.

There is a section in the Discussion Board that only members can access and it could be reported there.



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01 Mar 2022
11:11:40am
re: The fog

People have different abilities and personalities. A lot of people have problems posting Auction Lots and Approval Books according to the rules. The Auctioneers spend a lot of time working with them, trying to help them be successful with their Auction Lots and Approval Books. They are very involved on this current issue. Let them do their job.

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Brechinite

01 Mar 2022
02:41:58pm

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re: The fog

Yes let them get on with their job.

It appears that (I am going to stop here as I feel what I have to say next is not for non members eyes)

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01 Mar 2022
03:09:31pm
re: The fog

I will add one comment. It seems that the management team and the moderators have ALWAYS shown an incredible level of tolerance and inclusiveness. Impatient and opinionated types like me, (and Ian?), while we moan, do appreciate it very much. I will publicly recognize its immense value for a club like Stamporama.
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23 Feb 2022
11:35:32am

What's with the blurry out of focus approval pages? Or are my eyes finally going away?

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The seller with the foggy images has posted before saying he is having trouble with his camera or scanner. I'm willing to give him some leeway and see if he can straighten things out. He won't sell much unless he does!!

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re: The fog

I think these books should be withdrawn and reworked.
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23 Feb 2022
02:09:43pm

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"The seller with the foggy images has posted before saying he is having trouble with his camera or scanner. "



This was said sometime ago and the seller does not seem to want to do anything to get better images.

This seller should not be allowed to sell anything until they can provide better images.

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Actually, he seems to be doing quite well! One of his books is 33% sold, not too bad when you can't even tell what shape the stamps are in.

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23 Feb 2022
03:12:31pm

re: The fog

"This seller should not be allowed to sell anything until they can provide better images."



It is the job of the moderator!
Harvey, I guess at 2c to 5c a stamp, some folks are willing to buy blindfolded.
I really wonder how folks buy with this as a guide:
Image Not Found
Worldwide too, in random order!

On the other hand, does not seem to be much moderating, so anything goes. (damn Nail Biting I must have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed!). I understand that Approval book moderators only respond to complaints.
rrr...

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23 Feb 2022
06:00:22pm

re: The fog

It is interesting that the FOG booklet is receiving attention in the same week as the French Booklet of d1stamperClearly the latter is the Mona Lisa of Approval Booklets.What is surprising and even possibly alarming is that both booklets the Mona Lisa and The FOG have sold almost the same number of items.The contents of the booklets are as different as the presentations so it is an apples and oranges kind of comparison but there must be a number of members who are interested in buying surprise items and who take great joy in material with missing perforations and nibbled corners......sometimes called fillers.

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re: The fog

I thought it could not get worse, but take a look at the scans of the latest : Book #23391: Austria Mixed
Help......
rrr....

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26 Feb 2022
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I do not understand the need to berate the seller? I thought the general rule was if you do not like the stamps or presentation do not buy them.

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26 Feb 2022
01:29:11am

re: The fog

I agree with dell4c. The auctioneers are well aware of the situation and are working with the seller to assist. In the end, if you are not comfortable with the view of the stamps on offer, don't buy them.

Regards ... Tim.

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26 Feb 2022
11:44:44am

re: The fog

From STAMPORAMA AUCTION AND APPROVAL BOOK RULES:

E. Unacceptable Listing Practices:
E1. The following listing practices are considered unacceptable, and may result in summary closure of an auction lot:
e. Image not provided, when required, or poorly created (representative, too dark, out of focus, too small, improperly cropped, etc.)


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26 Feb 2022
01:32:09pm

re: The fog

I agree that it should not be personal, which is why I avoided listing the name of the seller. I even cropped the listing name that features his/her name prominently to avoid making it personal.

We have rules.

"From STAMPORAMA AUCTION AND APPROVAL BOOK RULES:

E. Unacceptable Listing Practices:
E1. The following listing practices are considered unacceptable, and may result in summary closure of an auction lot:
e. Image not provided, when required, or poorly created (representative, too dark, out of focus, too small, improperly cropped, etc.)
"



So don't pick on the messenger and implement the rules. This was exactly what was discussed and set up in the rules when Approvals was developed. If the moderators don't do their jobs, it puts the members who speak up in the very uncomfortable position of criticizing fellow members. Trust me, it is not a comfortable position to be in.
The Club is nearing the renewal of memberships time and it is imperative that the quality of the experience here be maintained, less we will lose many members.

rrr...

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26 Feb 2022
07:28:50pm

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re: The fog

I notice that the aforementioned "fuzzy" Book has been removed.

Will the other eight be removed please or at least be de-activated.

I agree with rrraphy that it does the image (pardon the pun) of Stamporama no good.

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27 Feb 2022
06:38:23am

re: The fog

Some people diminish the quality of my StampoRama experience . . .

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27 Feb 2022
09:52:21am

re: The fog

The quality and the integrity of the site is in my opinion being compromised;I can ignore the Fog offerings but potential new members and visitors see this material and it does not bode well for new growth and new memberships.

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27 Feb 2022
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Smauggie, i agree, its not only the "fog" but the CONDITION of the stamps he sells.

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27 Feb 2022
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Phil,

I'm not sure that was what he was referring to ...

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re: The fog

Does he live in an area where some member can give him a hand? I would never buy from him since you really can't tell the condition of the stamps, but I notice that some sellers show stamps with obvious damage that is not mentioned. That doesn't bother me a whole lot as long as the damage is evident but it does go against the rules. If we enforce the rules in one instance it should be done in all others, as long as a warning is given first!

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27 Feb 2022
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re: The fog

The only reason these fuzzy items are selling is they are chirppy chirppy cheap cheep!

It would appear that the images of the fuzzy books have been taken by phone rather than a scanner.

So much for the "great" technology of mobiles.

Yes you can read,

yes you can take photos of mountains and folkies but don't try stamps.

You can even speak to people far away but don't take photos of stamps.

So much for all the hard work Tim put in to make the system "phone" friendly. Just don't take photos of stamps.

If any one really wants to know who is buying these items you can use the Stamporama system to find out.....if you know how to. (spooky)



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27 Feb 2022
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re: The fog

"Just don't take photos of stamps."


I assume you were implying "with a phone", but I just wanted to say that it is possible to take good quality photos of stamps using a good quality camera with proper lighting and a copy stand. Here is a crop from a photo of 25 stamps taken with my camera. My camera captures images in much less time than my scanner.

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27 Feb 2022
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Musicman, if so i stand corrected !

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27 Feb 2022
01:27:54pm

re: The fog

I have used a cellphone camera many times to take photos of stamps and covers to use for posting here, and it works fine.

The lots referred to originally in this thread were taken with an actual camera.

We continue to work behind the scenes to address and correct this.

Please allow us the time to do so.

Not everything in this world of "instant gratification" happens instantly.

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Brechinite

27 Feb 2022
02:43:36pm

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re: The fog

Further investigation reveals that the "fuzziness" started about July 2021. Only on the Approval Books. Individual stamps were fine but anything over 5 or 6 items started to be less clear.

This member should have been advised that the quality of picture had declined and help offered to them before now.

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28 Feb 2022
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"As rrraphy intimated it should not be left to individual members to complain but something like this could have been picked up earlier."



It seems to me, Ian, as if you are demanding a specific service which StampoRama is not set up to provide. This website is staffed entirely by volunteers. StampoRama has to be a place of communication and cooperation. As a moderator I try my best, in concert with the other volunteers to find a balance that works.

I don't think StampoRama needs a Philatelic Police Force. That is my opinion.
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28 Feb 2022
08:17:03pm

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re: The fog

Yes it is run by volunteers and what they do to provide this service is undeniably worthwile and appreciated.

However my point is that these "fuzzy" images have been appearing at least since July 2021. ie for seven months

Yes there maybe extenuating circumstances for this individual but for how long is this "situation" going to continue?

If we all supplied "fuzzy" images the site would be a laughing stock.

I said that this could have been picked up earlier.

I now know that in this case it had been but it appears that despite the help and advice given to the individual concerned the "situation" continues.

I am not suggesting a police force but surely the volunteers see the same things as other members.

The basic problem is "Poor Communication" between the Management Team themselves and the members. In my opinion most of the criticisms and complaints are due to this lack of communication.

May I be so bold to suggest that the "Management Team" post a Monthly or Bi-monthly report on how Stamporama is progressing, what problems have arisen and what they are planning for the future.

There is a section in the Discussion Board that only members can access and it could be reported there.



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01 Mar 2022
11:11:40am

re: The fog

People have different abilities and personalities. A lot of people have problems posting Auction Lots and Approval Books according to the rules. The Auctioneers spend a lot of time working with them, trying to help them be successful with their Auction Lots and Approval Books. They are very involved on this current issue. Let them do their job.

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01 Mar 2022
02:41:58pm

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re: The fog

Yes let them get on with their job.

It appears that (I am going to stop here as I feel what I have to say next is not for non members eyes)

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01 Mar 2022
03:09:31pm

re: The fog

I will add one comment. It seems that the management team and the moderators have ALWAYS shown an incredible level of tolerance and inclusiveness. Impatient and opinionated types like me, (and Ian?), while we moan, do appreciate it very much. I will publicly recognize its immense value for a club like Stamporama.
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