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"Penny Reds" will be a low cost topical collection featuring red stamps with the value of one penny or 1d.. No p's, cents, annas, mills or other currencies. It will consist of just face different stamps with no regard to watermarks, plates or corner letters. It would start obviously with the 1841 GB red versions of the penny black and proceed to whenever the last 1d. was issued. Could it be the thousands of issues?
I think most collectors will think about how many they already have in their own collections and if like me, hoards. If there are great rarities I will just ignore them because it would be just collecting for fun. I think using Clive's superb AlbumEasy software it would easy to display them.
This does leave one big question. Should I sort and display them geographically or in chronological order?
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Just had a quick look into colnect - it appears that your collection of "Penny Reds" will definitely consist of less than 1000 stamps, perhaps only a few hundreds. Looks manageable. Colnect knows of a bit more than 1000 different 1 d stamps at all, and that number already includes some varieties.
It reminds me of someone I met online in the mid-1990s who only collected green postcard rate stamps. Of course there are quite a few more of these.
As there may have been only one or two red 1 d stamps issued in a given year anyway, in particular towards the end, the chronological order appears preferable to me.
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"As there may have been only one or two red 1 d stamps issued in a given year anyway, in particular towards the end, the chronological order appears preferable to me."
Thanks Martin. I was tending towards a chronological sort. Good to hear it's not in the thousands
Starting with the Penny Post and then the following Ocean Penny Post and the Imperial Penny Post gets me up to 1918 according to Wikipedia. After that we still see plenty of 1d red stamps in the old British Empire and Commonwealth. I figure I'm well into the 1950s before it ends. The beauty of this as just a fun collection is that most of the stamps just cost pennies even today.
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As a matter of fact, your collection may well end in the 1950s. When 1 d didn't pay the inland letter or foreign postcard rate any more, the red color "moved up" to higher values according to UPU rules. The last red 1 d stamps that I could find were some 1956-ish postage dues, I believe one was from Tristan da Cunha or some such place, but maybe I missed some.
Anyway, have fun!
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Danny, what you are doing sounds good and seems very interesting.
You may be aware that the Penny Post was introduced in 1680 in the city of London (England) by William Dockwra for deliveries throughout the city, and it spread to other towns and cities thereafter. This rate continued after the Uniform Postal Service, using the now famous Penny Black in 1840.
The Penny Post was rolled out across the United Kingdom and the British Empire, excluding Australia and New Zealand. It also arrived in the USA.
In Great Britain the Penny Post lasted until 1918 when the Post Office decided to charge more for delivering letters. That meant the Penny Post was in being for 238 Years. Amazing!!!!
Regular price increases, with significantly poorer service, have seen the cost of a 1st class stamp in Britain rise to the current price of 76p in our new metric currency (well, it was new in February 1971). If my faculties are still working that converts to 15 shillings and threepence, or 183 old pennies.
Good luck with your new project Danny. I hope you have fun.
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To come up to date a first class stamp is now 85 pence the equivalent of 17 shillings or
204 times 1d!!
Back in the 1900's a factory worker could post a note to their wife to tell her that he would be working late that day!
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Ian, sorry I got that cost wrong. I now only use 1st stamps, which don't have the price shown. I had to look that price up on Google, so Google got it wrong.
Unfortunately I tend to be a buyer of stamps rather than a poor, hard done by seller. It must be really difficult being a seller these days, judging by the amount of space taken up on numerous forums on SoR. Us buyers should get together and buy lots of stamps from the sellers on SoR. Oh, sorry, I'm wrong again, we actually do that right now. If only someone would offer recent, good quality USA, or Machins, or FRG at less than 150% of face value. If they did, I'd be after them like a rat up a drainpipe.
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"If only someone would offer recent, good quality USA, or Machins, or FRG at less than 150% of face value. If they did, I'd be after them like a rat up a drainpipe."
Wouldn't we all?!!
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One headache with modern USA is self-adhesive aspect as it requires a little more skill to remove them intact with liner from the sheet. This turned me off to collecting modern singles.
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About a week ago after looking through a worldwide approval book on SoR I had one of my 'brilliant' ideas. I do get them every other year or so. This one will join my 'to do' list although it's already far too long and maybe I will be eating my pie-in-the-sky (credit Joe Hill, 1911) before starting it.
"Penny Reds" will be a low cost topical collection featuring red stamps with the value of one penny or 1d.. No p's, cents, annas, mills or other currencies. It will consist of just face different stamps with no regard to watermarks, plates or corner letters. It would start obviously with the 1841 GB red versions of the penny black and proceed to whenever the last 1d. was issued. Could it be the thousands of issues?
I think most collectors will think about how many they already have in their own collections and if like me, hoards. If there are great rarities I will just ignore them because it would be just collecting for fun. I think using Clive's superb AlbumEasy software it would easy to display them.
This does leave one big question. Should I sort and display them geographically or in chronological order?
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01:30:58pm
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Just had a quick look into colnect - it appears that your collection of "Penny Reds" will definitely consist of less than 1000 stamps, perhaps only a few hundreds. Looks manageable. Colnect knows of a bit more than 1000 different 1 d stamps at all, and that number already includes some varieties.
It reminds me of someone I met online in the mid-1990s who only collected green postcard rate stamps. Of course there are quite a few more of these.
As there may have been only one or two red 1 d stamps issued in a given year anyway, in particular towards the end, the chronological order appears preferable to me.
Martin
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"As there may have been only one or two red 1 d stamps issued in a given year anyway, in particular towards the end, the chronological order appears preferable to me."
Thanks Martin. I was tending towards a chronological sort. Good to hear it's not in the thousands
Starting with the Penny Post and then the following Ocean Penny Post and the Imperial Penny Post gets me up to 1918 according to Wikipedia. After that we still see plenty of 1d red stamps in the old British Empire and Commonwealth. I figure I'm well into the 1950s before it ends. The beauty of this as just a fun collection is that most of the stamps just cost pennies even today.
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As a matter of fact, your collection may well end in the 1950s. When 1 d didn't pay the inland letter or foreign postcard rate any more, the red color "moved up" to higher values according to UPU rules. The last red 1 d stamps that I could find were some 1956-ish postage dues, I believe one was from Tristan da Cunha or some such place, but maybe I missed some.
Anyway, have fun!
Martin
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Danny, what you are doing sounds good and seems very interesting.
You may be aware that the Penny Post was introduced in 1680 in the city of London (England) by William Dockwra for deliveries throughout the city, and it spread to other towns and cities thereafter. This rate continued after the Uniform Postal Service, using the now famous Penny Black in 1840.
The Penny Post was rolled out across the United Kingdom and the British Empire, excluding Australia and New Zealand. It also arrived in the USA.
In Great Britain the Penny Post lasted until 1918 when the Post Office decided to charge more for delivering letters. That meant the Penny Post was in being for 238 Years. Amazing!!!!
Regular price increases, with significantly poorer service, have seen the cost of a 1st class stamp in Britain rise to the current price of 76p in our new metric currency (well, it was new in February 1971). If my faculties are still working that converts to 15 shillings and threepence, or 183 old pennies.
Good luck with your new project Danny. I hope you have fun.
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To come up to date a first class stamp is now 85 pence the equivalent of 17 shillings or
204 times 1d!!
Back in the 1900's a factory worker could post a note to their wife to tell her that he would be working late that day!
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11:35:12pm
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Ian, sorry I got that cost wrong. I now only use 1st stamps, which don't have the price shown. I had to look that price up on Google, so Google got it wrong.
Unfortunately I tend to be a buyer of stamps rather than a poor, hard done by seller. It must be really difficult being a seller these days, judging by the amount of space taken up on numerous forums on SoR. Us buyers should get together and buy lots of stamps from the sellers on SoR. Oh, sorry, I'm wrong again, we actually do that right now. If only someone would offer recent, good quality USA, or Machins, or FRG at less than 150% of face value. If they did, I'd be after them like a rat up a drainpipe.
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11:18:36am
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"If only someone would offer recent, good quality USA, or Machins, or FRG at less than 150% of face value. If they did, I'd be after them like a rat up a drainpipe."
Wouldn't we all?!!
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One headache with modern USA is self-adhesive aspect as it requires a little more skill to remove them intact with liner from the sheet. This turned me off to collecting modern singles.
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