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General Philatelic/Gen. Discussion : Chile Scott #126 worn plate ???

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dell4c
05 Jan 2022
11:06:06am

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I am trying to figure out what a "worn plate" variety for Chile #126 looks like. I have a scan from an ebay lot here but am not sure if is a damaged stamp or if this is what the "worn plate" looks like. Scott says almost no cross hatching and I am not sure how that applies to these scanned stamps?

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Anyone have an actual "worn plate" variety they could upload a scan of to help me out?

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Bob

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roy
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05 Jan 2022
01:04:24pm
re: Chile Scott #126 worn plate ???

This issue (the "Presidentes") has been a favorite of mine for 50 years.

The stamp you show is the Chilean redrawn issue Scott #125. (Oval rather than round circles in the top of the "8").

The "cross-hatching" is the fill-in pattern behind the head.

The worn plate version #126 has cross hatching typically only to the top of the shoulders. It is a much scarcer stamp than the catalog suggests, with its used price of $5.00. In all the time I have been collecting, I have never found one, even after buying Chile collections and dealer stocks. I would love to have one.

Roy


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dell4c
05 Jan 2022
01:08:33pm

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re: Chile Scott #126 worn plate ???

Thanks Roy, that explains why I still have this gaping hole in my album when the catalog says its just a cheap stamp!

I appreciate the help

Bob

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Calstamp
05 Jan 2022
02:42:01pm
re: Chile Scott #126 worn plate ???


Our colleague Roy is being modest re his "interest" in Chile's long-running "Presidente" series. Case in point, his short (but informative) article entitled "Chile Presidents 1911 -31".

Roy has always been gracious in responding to my "Presidente" queries, including introducing me to the invaluable SOFICH specialized Chilean catalogue as well as Chilean philatelic expert Bill Lenarz.

Can't find my series comparison btwn Scott, SG, and SOFICH. If memory serves SOFICH is north of 200.

Bob (dell4c): When last I checked back issues of "The Chile Specialist" were available gratis online. Once you master the various print varieties, check out Bill Lenarz' twelve-page treatise on "Presidente Watermarked Paper Types". (The Chile Specialist, No. 28, November 22, 1996).

A veritable cornucopia of philatelic research opportunities.




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Calstamp
05 Jan 2022
02:53:49pm
re: Chile Scott #126 worn plate ???


As follow up to my earlier posting:

Courtesy of Classic Latin America dot com


Series tallies:

Scott: 25

SG: 27

Michel: 27

SOFICH: 234

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05 Jan 2022
03:20:00pm

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re: Chile Scott #126 worn plate ???

OK, now I am going to show my ignorance or mis-understanding.

Roy indicates,

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"The "cross-hatching" is the fill-in pattern behind the head."



If I understand all the lines, either up or down or crossed behind the head are the cross-hatching.

Roy also indicates,
Quote:

"The worn plate version #126 has cross hatching typically only to the top of the shoulders."



My question. Looking at the scan posted, it appears to me that the cross hatching goes all the way to the top of the shoulders. I see no cross hatching below the shoulders.

I do not understand how the cross hatching only goes to the top of the shoulders would be any different than the scan shown.

Sorry for the question, just trying to understand.

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05 Jan 2022
03:30:52pm
re: Chile Scott #126 worn plate ???

As far as I am concerned, the posted picture clearly shows a fresh plate, no wear & tear. Looks like slippage (doctor blade flaw, IIRC) but it is crystal clear to me!

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05 Jan 2022
09:42:57pm

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re: Chile Scott #126 worn plate ???

Hm, I am always pondering over this generation of value - not just related to our hobby. All this appreciation of items and its impact on the environment.

My guess is money needs to be generated somewhere in a resource based business in order to have it spent on an item of art , real estate or anything for that matter.

Sorry if I derail the threat in a different direction - one that is of utmost interest to me.

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06 Jan 2022
07:21:47am
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"Hm, I am always pondering over this generation of value -"


That's how NFT's are a thing now!
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06 Jan 2022
07:45:04am
re: Chile Scott #126 worn plate ???

I have a copy of what appears to be 126 (no diagonal lines visible in the frame and diagonal lines not extending above the neck within the oval). Will try to make a scan to post this weekend.

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06 Jan 2022
09:38:20am
re: Chile Scott #126 worn plate ???

I misspoke when I wrote "cross hatching typically only to the top of the shoulders."

That is the proper description "no diagonal lines visible in the frame and diagonal lines not extending above the neck within the oval".

I look forward to seeing your scan.

Roy

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06 Jan 2022
10:17:30am

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re: Chile Scott #126 worn plate ???

Thanks Roy,

Now I understand and have something to look for while sorting.

Mel

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dell4c
06 Jan 2022
12:06:12pm

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re: Chile Scott #126 worn plate ???

I'd very much like to see the scan as well.

Bob

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08 Jan 2022
06:41:10pm
re: Chile Scott #126 worn plate ???

Thanks to Steve (srolfsmeier) who provided a scan of his #126, as well as a pinched image from worldstampsproject.org, we can now compare Chile Scott #125 and #126 (worn plate) side by side:

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I added the arrows to highlight the areas that provide the most obvious differences. Keep in mind that this "worn plate" variety is logically a progressive difference and that there are probably various stages of wear.

I find that the area above the head and the forehead should be very quick indicators if one is sorting through a number of copies.

Note the accuracy of Gibbons description of the worn plate: "no diagonal lines visible in the frame and diagonal lines not extending above the neck within the oval".

This also makes it immediately clear that the image that started this thread, which I found on ebay described as a #126 pair is wrongly described.

Roy

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Calstamp
08 Jan 2022
07:10:53pm
re: Chile Scott #126 worn plate ???


Roy. Thx for posting the follow up image. Great illustration of the "worn plate" variety.

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