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alyn
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07 Dec 2021
11:22:21am
Hello all,

I received a cover in the mail and it was franked with the recent Machins shown below.

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The 20p and 1p values are all good and have the anticipated code printed M19L for the 20p and M18L for the 1p. My concern is with the 1st Large Machin there is no code.

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It is my understanding that the date code should be in the "post office red" version of this stamp. Do any Machin experts want to help me out here?


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sheepshanks
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07 Dec 2021
12:06:13pm
re: Modern Machin Question

Alyn, I think I can see the background printing but I'm not able to make out the letters.
Does it have a date code?
It was issued in 2013 without source code (IE MAIL) with a date.
Issued again in 2013 with date and source codes MBIL, MFIL.

Edit. Are the security slits cut into paper or are they printed on? They look different to these. https://adminware.ca/machin/mpip-1st-red.htm

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07 Dec 2021
12:57:57pm
re: Modern Machin Question

Hi Sheepshanks

The Security Slits are cut into the stamp. From what I can see it only has MAIL with no date or Source Code. My understanding of the Deegam Catalogue (which is almost non-existent) is that the red stamps should all have a date code.


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Brechinite

07 Dec 2021
02:52:05pm

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re: Modern Machin Question

The First Class Large stamp is a forgery.

You can buy them in booklets on ebay.

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Brechinite

07 Dec 2021
03:01:27pm

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If you look at the writing of the security overlay it is larger than normal and is the wrong font as well.

The biggest giveaway is the syncopated perf. It is more rectangular than oval.

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07 Dec 2021
03:59:24pm
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Ian, that was my first thought, but the left side elliptical seemed to match the right hand one on the 1p stamp, although now I copy and enlarge the image it does not quite match.

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07 Dec 2021
05:20:35pm
re: Modern Machin Question

Thanks, Brechinite. I thought it could have been a fake. Just wanted to double-check with the experts here before noting it as a fake.


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Brechinite

07 Dec 2021
06:05:48pm

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The security overlay has only 9 lines of print whereas the genuine overlay has 12 or 13 lines.

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16 Dec 2021
11:01:04am

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I have a 1st Large but how do I know which one I have?

What does he date code look like and where is it on the stamp?

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Brechinite

16 Dec 2021
11:07:59am

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The date code is M17L. This is situated 3 rows up from the top of the space between the g e of Large.

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16 Dec 2021
11:11:03am
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Doug, if you look above the word LARGE in the wavy print line starting above the L you will see that the word MAIL has been changed to M17L.
The adminware site, https://adminware.ca/machin.htm
is a great resource for images showing various aspects of Machins, codes, dates, tags etc.

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Brechinite

16 Dec 2021
11:18:19am

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The other codes are found in the row next to the Queens Hair just above the forehead.

It will either read MAIL which is no code, MBIL or MFIL.

In your example it says MAIL so there is no other code.

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16 Dec 2021
11:22:19am

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Thank you for the information.

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alyn

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07 Dec 2021
11:22:21am

Hello all,

I received a cover in the mail and it was franked with the recent Machins shown below.

Image Not Found

The 20p and 1p values are all good and have the anticipated code printed M19L for the 20p and M18L for the 1p. My concern is with the 1st Large Machin there is no code.

Image Not Found

It is my understanding that the date code should be in the "post office red" version of this stamp. Do any Machin experts want to help me out here?


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sheepshanks

07 Dec 2021
12:06:13pm

re: Modern Machin Question

Alyn, I think I can see the background printing but I'm not able to make out the letters.
Does it have a date code?
It was issued in 2013 without source code (IE MAIL) with a date.
Issued again in 2013 with date and source codes MBIL, MFIL.

Edit. Are the security slits cut into paper or are they printed on? They look different to these. https://adminware.ca/machin/mpip-1st-red.htm

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07 Dec 2021
12:57:57pm

re: Modern Machin Question

Hi Sheepshanks

The Security Slits are cut into the stamp. From what I can see it only has MAIL with no date or Source Code. My understanding of the Deegam Catalogue (which is almost non-existent) is that the red stamps should all have a date code.


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Brechinite

07 Dec 2021
02:52:05pm

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re: Modern Machin Question

The First Class Large stamp is a forgery.

You can buy them in booklets on ebay.

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Brechinite

07 Dec 2021
03:01:27pm

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re: Modern Machin Question

If you look at the writing of the security overlay it is larger than normal and is the wrong font as well.

The biggest giveaway is the syncopated perf. It is more rectangular than oval.

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sheepshanks

07 Dec 2021
03:59:24pm

re: Modern Machin Question

Ian, that was my first thought, but the left side elliptical seemed to match the right hand one on the 1p stamp, although now I copy and enlarge the image it does not quite match.

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alyn

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07 Dec 2021
05:20:35pm

re: Modern Machin Question

Thanks, Brechinite. I thought it could have been a fake. Just wanted to double-check with the experts here before noting it as a fake.


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Brechinite

07 Dec 2021
06:05:48pm

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re: Modern Machin Question

The security overlay has only 9 lines of print whereas the genuine overlay has 12 or 13 lines.

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d1stamper

16 Dec 2021
11:01:04am

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re: Modern Machin Question

I have a 1st Large but how do I know which one I have?

What does he date code look like and where is it on the stamp?

Image Not Found

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Brechinite

16 Dec 2021
11:07:59am

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re: Modern Machin Question

The date code is M17L. This is situated 3 rows up from the top of the space between the g e of Large.

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sheepshanks

16 Dec 2021
11:11:03am

re: Modern Machin Question

Doug, if you look above the word LARGE in the wavy print line starting above the L you will see that the word MAIL has been changed to M17L.
The adminware site, https://adminware.ca/machin.htm
is a great resource for images showing various aspects of Machins, codes, dates, tags etc.

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Brechinite

16 Dec 2021
11:18:19am

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re: Modern Machin Question

The other codes are found in the row next to the Queens Hair just above the forehead.

It will either read MAIL which is no code, MBIL or MFIL.

In your example it says MAIL so there is no other code.

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16 Dec 2021
11:22:19am

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Thank you for the information.

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