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DannyS
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21 Oct 2021
10:21:12am
I had been planning to try my hand at selling both approvals and in the auction. Then along came Covid and the international post out of Thailand went to hell in a handcart. Postal charges went up considerably and as we all know prices seldom go down. Next month Thailand is opening up to foreign tourists who have been vaccinated and are prepared to jump through a few hoops with testing so there will be an increase in air transport hopefully.

I would like to test how well the post is working next month. I can offer to three members who collect Thai stamps a free used King Prajadhipok (Rama 7) 10 baht 1928 stamp. These are Scott 220 and SG 264. Now Stampworld values these at $13.98 each but I do suspect that this is a rather high valuation. Siamese stamps of this period tend to have a rather heavy postmark.

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Ideally these would go to members who already collect Thailand and Siam. The only conditions are you message me when it (hopefully) arrives and that you don't then sell it on Stamporama as I wouldn't mind being the one who did that. Happy

I need one volunteer from the US or Canada, one from the UK and one from continental Western Europe. Sorry for now to members in Australia but presently the air transport connection and post going there from Thailand is seriously delayed. (I have family and friends in all the eastern Australian states.) Maybe when it improves you can twist my arm and ask for one.

I will use unregistered airmail with a small envelope reinforced with card. I will use the post office labels rather than nice stamps which may stop pilfering at this end.

So message me and tell me you collect Thai stamps. I will pick three lucky winners and in the next few weeks send off the post. It will at least give me an idea how well the post is working.

Danny

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DannyS
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21 Oct 2021
10:28:43pm
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Thanks for the response. Anyone in Western Europe collecting Thailand? I will put the names in a 'hat' on Tuesday morning my time (still Monday for most of you.)I will let my wife draw out the ticket for each region. If you don't win I will try and find something else to send later.
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25 Oct 2021
10:48:32pm
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OK, I'm closing the list now. Only one each from the UK and Western Europe so they are winners. I will draw the winner from the US and Canada later today. I will post out sometime next week. If I can I will post something nice to those who don't win in the draw the following week just to get a bit more data for the test.

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26 Oct 2021
12:57:33am
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Well there were seven responses with just one from the UK and one from France so Nigel and Michel yours will be in the first ones posted early next week. Seeing all seven of you have different first names I think you know who you are. I decided to split Canada and the US so Doug and Charlie yours will also be posted early next week. I had a look through my hoard and Paul, Michael and David I will send you the same stamp about 7 - 10 days after the first four go out to continue the postal test. (I must have bought a bulk lot of these back in the 1980s, but they had obviously been picked for postmarks already.)

They have the heavy postmarks typical of the period. One has a hinge remnant. No obvious, to my eyes at least, other problems. I would call them good used, but in eBay speak they would extra fine usedHappy

King Prajadhipok was the seventh monarch of the present dynasty and the second youngest of King Chulalongkorn's (Rama 5) 77 children and so wasn't prepared to become king. He was the last absolute monarch in Siam as the revolution of 1932 turned the country into a constitutional monarchy. King Prajadhipok eventually abdicated and lived the rest of his life fairly quietly in England.

Here's the seven stamps which I will post out. I will add a comment here on the day they posted. Please would those who receive them post a comment or PM me when they arrive.

I will use 6½ x 3½ inch (16.5 x 9.5 cm) lightweight airmail envelopes with card stiffeners. The stamp will be in a small plastic zip-lock bag taped to the card. (I know tape not so good.) Anyway below are the stamps to be posted.

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Enjoy, Danny

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26 Oct 2021
08:55:41am

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Thanks Danny for sharing. I will post a message when I receive your letter.

Doug

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26 Oct 2021
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This is a very cool project Danny. Good luck with it.

Will be interesting to see if the Thailand-Canada route is any more efficient than the Canada-Australia journey (my last two mailings took between 46 days and "never" to reach there)...

Dave.

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26 Oct 2021
09:30:15pm
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Thanks, Danny!

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26 Oct 2021
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"Will be interesting to see if the Thailand-Canada route is any more efficient than the Canada-Australia journey (my last two mailings took between 46 days and "never" to reach there)..."



Dave, that's the reason I'm not including Australia in the free stamp offer. I think both Australia and New Zealand took the right approach to stopping the Covid pandemic in their countries, but until air transport returns to something like normal we have to expect slow postal delivery times.

I buy off someone in Fiji on eBay. I'm guessing the Fiji mail goes through either Australia or New Zealand. I knew the post would be slow as a friend told me he had bought from the same seller, but it does eventually get through. The two deliveries not very long ago took 78 days and 55 days.

Anyway that's why I am testing our delivery times before jumping in as a sellerHappy
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28 Oct 2021
04:02:22am
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" ... The two deliveries not very long ago took 78 days and 55 days. ..."

But I bet they were even more appreciated when they arrived.

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lerivage
31 Oct 2021
10:27:45am
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I am waiting for the enveloppe to arrive. A fine project. I would like to kow the result of the experiment, when it is achieved obviuosly. Michel

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31 Oct 2021
09:41:27pm
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I live a few miles away from Bangkok's 'new' airport. Pre-Covid I could see planes either coming in or going out regularly. At busy times just after darkness their lights would be visible on the horizon every 2 or 3 minutes. It has not been busy for over a year now, but this morning quite a few aircraft flying over us. Today is the official ending of restrictions on vaccinated tourists visiting Thailand so it looks promising. Hopefully there will be knock-on affect with international post. I plan on posting the first four envelopes on Thursday and the other three a week later. (Thursday is when I go out for a coffee or two with some friends at a coffee shop in one of our many shopping malls.) There are two post offices on the way, the main district 10250 Onnut office and a sub-post office in the mall next to where I drink the coffeeHappy

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01 Nov 2021
09:11:50am

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Danny, i had a collector from Australia purchase a cover from me on eBay early in October. I told him i had no idea how long delivery would take and to let me know when it arrived. It arrived in exactly 21 days....not too bad i thought.

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DannyS
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01 Nov 2021
10:16:50pm
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I think I read last week that Australia is opening up travel corridors (do they call them bubbles?) to certain countries. I saw Singapore mentioned. If they open up to Thailand, just up the road a bitHappy, I can try out the post to there. Seems lots of planes that had been stacked near Alice Springs in Australia's center, are being made ready for service.

Air traffic in and out of Bangkok's main airport was light last night, but certainly picked up a bit from before.

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03 Nov 2021
04:30:59am
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First four go out tomorrow.

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04 Nov 2021
07:03:03am
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So the test started today. The first 4 small airmail envelopes all weighing under 10 grams with card and plastic bag protection of the stamp. Destinations were France, the UK, Canada and the US.

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I used the sub-post office in the Haha shopping mall which is connected by a foot bridge to the mall where I have my Thursday coffee meeting with friends. Ha Ha in Thai actually sounds like 55 and this mall is at the intersection of Soi (lane) 55 and the main road. (So in emails to or from a Thai person, 555 means laughing.)

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Now here is where it gets strange. The cost, roughly converted to USD for a small under 20 gram airmail letter to Canada was $0.85, To France and the UK $1.03 but to the US it was $1.61. Now according to the rate sheet the US should have been $1.06 so what was going on?

I found the image below posted on the Thai Post's website. It is about Covid restrictions on international mail. The first line of the chart is mail to the US. In the last column of this line where I have added the blue circle you will see there is no airmail letters to the US weighing 40 gram or under. Of course what they mean is there no small letter 20 gram rate and everything up to 40 grams is charged at 50 gram rate. Quite what the Covid connection is I'm not sure. I will get someone to translate it later.

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Anyway the test is off and running. Another 3 letters to post next week. I will PM the first 4 'targets' todayHappy

Stay safe
Danny

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06 Nov 2021
12:51:09am
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The translation for the first column showing the countries is as follows. I'm still not sure what the connection with Covid is.

USA
France
Brasil
Mexico
Slovakia
Slovenia
China
Japan
New Zealand

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11 Nov 2021
05:25:09am
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Next (last) three posted today. Same post office as before as it was next door to my Thursday coffee lunchtime meet up. I was hoping at least one of last week's envelopes had made it through, but that was probably wishful thinking. Off to view lots in Bangkok's premier stamp auction tomorrow.

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12 Nov 2021
06:15:07pm
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Hi Danny,

I'm delighted to report that I received the Thai stamp in today's post. Happy

Thanks again!

Nigel (in the UK)

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12 Nov 2021
11:37:33pm
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Thank you Nigel. You are the first. Enjoy and I will start to build the spreadsheet with delivery times nowHappy

That one was delivered in 8 days. That's not great but I was hoping all of them will make it in two weeks, so fingers crossed.

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17 Nov 2021
08:37:55pm
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Well not going so well with the first four. Just one to the UK arrived within two weeks (8 days actually) but the other three, Canada, France and the US yet to show. I guess I jumped the gun a bit and maybe after the new year would be a better test. The later three envelopes have just passed their first week in transit. There does seem to be more aircraft in the sky over Bangkok airport so hopefully it will improve.

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17 Nov 2021
08:44:05pm

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DannyS Do not be discouraged. Mail at the best of times can take 10 or 14 days from Europe and Asia.

I hope I will be able to give you a positive report next week.

Doug

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19 Nov 2021
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DannyS

I received your letter today. Thank you for the stamp.

Doug

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19 Nov 2021
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Thanks Doug. That was 15 days travel time. I actually thought Canada would be the slowest after past experience of sending books there. US and France still to arrive from the first lot.

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19 Nov 2021
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In the past few months I sent envelopes at the same time from Ontario Canada to England (received in 8 days), Indiana USA (just over 2 months), and two to Australia (just over one month for #1 and "still not arrived" for #2 two months later).

It's all a massive crap shoot these days...

I'll let you know when we hit the jackpot here for your mailing Danny.

Cheers, Dave.

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19 Nov 2021
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Thanks Dave

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20 Nov 2021
10:46:16am
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Interesting post .... Cheryl

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21 Nov 2021
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As of Sunday, Nov 21, nothing to report in France. Michel

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21 Nov 2021
10:53:18am
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Thanks Michel.

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" ... As of Sunday, Nov 21, nothing to report in France. Michel. . "

Nor here.

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21 Nov 2021
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Nor here either (Texas, USA)

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21 Nov 2021
10:50:58pm
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I guess I have to hope for arrival in a 30 day window. I think past that it makes selling from here not very feasible at the moment.

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22 Nov 2021
09:10:47am
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I think I may have jumped the gun a bit. I have been watching the online flight tracker and although Bangkok's main airport is busier than last year, it is nothing like 2019. Most flights are internal, regional or one of the Gulf airlines. Hardly any direct ones to Europe, North America or even Japan. It seems a lot airmail has been moved by cargo aircraft so the Thai post office is finding what space and connections they can. I did notice a FedEx flight inward bound a couple of hours ago though so it looks like the courier cowboys are still running. Let's see how it is in the new year although still interested in the delivery times on this lot.

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lerivage
23 Nov 2021
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hImage Not FoundIt did arrive in France on Nov 23rd. THanks, and good luck to the end of your testing. Michel

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23 Nov 2021
09:01:32am
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So good to hear Michel. I was going to post earlier that on an online flight tracker I saw a few hours ago an Air France flight heading to Paris. That got me thinking about how the Thai post office would send mail to France. My guess is that would have a mail contract with the Thai International airline, another state owned company. So I looked up what flights Thai was running to Paris and at the moment it is just one a week leaving over the weekends. Let's say that this was on last weekend's flight and arrived in Paris on Sunday, would that make sense in you receiving it today? If so that would mean the envelope missed two weekend flights. Could be a backlog I guess.

Thai have flights into London 5 days a week which would explain why the UK arrived quicker. The US and Canada I'm still trying to figure outHappy

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lerivage
23 Nov 2021
12:38:00pm
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A flight arriving in CDG (Paris airport) on week-end, I am not surprised to have the mail delivered at home the following Tuesday. It would be on the excellent side of the service. Usually most of the time we still have the J+2 delivery for first class mail. I assume that international mail is considered fist class.

Anyway, thanks and gook luck for your future sales. Michel

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23 Nov 2021
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Hey Danny. Your envelope arrived today, 12 days after being mailed. I think that's an incredibly fast delivery from your part of the world (see my previous comments on mailing times from elsewhere) and that should give you positive feedback about selling to Canada in future.

Also loved the mailing label, much better than ours!

And finally, your cost Thailand-Canada was 28.00 Baht - that's CA$1.07. My cost to send the stamp back to you would be CA$2.71. Unbelievable!

Congrats on this initiative - I think it worked out great for you.

Cheers, Dave.

P.S. Yesterday, when I posted my final few envelopes from my last sale, I asked about delivery of a letter to Thailand. They looked it up and said "we estimate 4-6 weeks to be safe".

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23 Nov 2021
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Another win Dave. 12 and 15 days for the two envelopes into Canada. The France and UK deliveries do make some sense to me now. Thanks for the information Michel. I suspect your one didn't even leave Thailand until last Saturday. That leaves the three on their way to the US. Going back to my idea that Thai Airways International has most of the Thai post office contracts I wonder who has the contracts for mail going to the US. Thai International lost its FAA category one license even before Covid over poor safety regulations here in Thailand. That means it was not running regular flights into the US. I think the recent flights have been repatriation flights for Thais returning home during Covid. I will ask around and see if I can find out which airline has the contract. If it's with a cargo airline it could explain why there is no 20 gram rate into the US. Maybe US delivery problems have nothing to do with Covid. I don't think there are any US airlines flying scheduled services here at the moment.

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24 Nov 2021
09:21:03am
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I asked on one of the local forums about airmail post into the US and who is carrying it. An answer was various airlines with stopovers in their country of origin. He was finding about 40 days was to be expected on parcels even before Covid. Hopefully airmail envelopes will travel quicker.

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Just bumping this post. It's now 27 days since the first mailing to the US and 20 days for another two. All the other non-US mailings made it without terrible delays. It does seem to be a problem of no scheduled flights to the US from Thailand. Right now 30 days would seem like a winHappy

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01 Dec 2021
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I'm still on the lookout, in Anchorage, Alaska, USA. LOL

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02 Dec 2021
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Fingers crossedHappy

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Our mail delivery here always slows down this time of year though and some days we get skipped completely. Sometimes its weather related and sometimes staffing issues I think.

Mind you DHL got a package here from Maidstone in England in 5 days, door to door.

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Danny,
WE went over to a daughter's house this weekend
and did not check the mailbox until we returned.
And when my Son-in-law did this evening, guess
what popped out ?
Apparently desperate to escape the clutches of
the USPS your envelope almost jumped into Rob's
jacket pocket.
Drum Roll and Beat to Colors, HUZZAR.
So your envelope arrived late Friday or more
likely sometime Saturday, finally, and in good order.
Yours, Charlie
The missinng link

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Charlie,

That is so very good to hear. I will take last Saturday as the arrival date which will make it exactly 30 days. I doubt it, but were there any transit marks on the envelope? I suspect it stayed in a large bag of mail which passed through a third country airport.

Paul and Michael this means we should be looking at next weekend for yours to be delivered. If the last two arrive I will feel far more confident in selling on SoR. I think another test run may be worth doing after the Christmas/New Year holidays if the original volunteers are up for it and the last two arrive in about the same delivery window. I would like to try it using 'real' stamps instead of the post office labels. The gift would only be some low value stamps from the same period.

Danny

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