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hello all. this is one that puzzles me, I know its QE11 5d deep green but how could this happen, all help welcome, thanks in advance ken
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From Stanley Gibbons Commonwealth catalogue (2014)
354b is "imperf between (horiz. pair) (31.7.64) £1.50 unused £2.50 used"
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Boy, am I ever glad there are people out there with shed loads of knowledge! I collect Australia (not usually varieties though!) and if I saw this for sale I would probably pay big money for it and regret it later. Usually two stamps imperforate between constitute a major error!
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I too am surprised by the stamps' low catalogue value. I'm sure it wasn't purposely "misperfed," so it must an error that was ignored, resulting in a small flood of the booklets going into the philatelic marketplace. If I collected modern Australia definitives, I'd certainly buy a pair or even a "strip". To my mind, few things make an album page or exhibit sheet more interesting than normal stamps and obvious varieties displayed side by side. Even better to add used copies and copies on cover.
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The reason that I would say that they are not extremely valuable is that there are probably hundreds of thousands of them in existence.
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hello all. thanks for the response, being in the UK sometimes it nice to get stamps like these, I have been collecting now for a few years and never sold a stamp so value is not a issue, its nice to have information on them which is what i get from this forum, thanks to all, regards ken.
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"so it must an error that was ignored, resulting in a small flood of the booklets going into the philatelic marketplace."
I can't document this, but I suspect, given how common these are, that it wasn't an error, but rather an offering of the complete uncut sheet of booklets directly to collectors. Similar to the modern uncut press sheets or the "Farley's Follies" of the US 1930s. My Australian specialized catalogue lists quantities produced as:
Sheets: 678,945,600
Booklets: 166,583,520
Odd that the sheets significantly outnumber the booklets.
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My old 1996 ACSC catalogue states that 1,500 uncut sheets of these booklet stamps were sold at philatelic sales points.
Each of these uncut sheets contained 288 stamps.
Issued booklet panes consisted of a block of six stamps (three rows of two stamps) with the pane imperf at the left, right and bottom.
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The 1963 5d green imperforate stamp came from the uncut booklet sheets placed on sale at philatelic sales points. The optimum collecting unit is a block of 9 comprising three imperforations between pairs and and three stamps imperforated one side. The booklet sheets were withdrawn from sale when stocks were exhausted in mid-1965. A total of 1,500 sheets of 288 (= 432,000 stamps) were supplied (ACSC 2019).
So, there were 432,000 of the imperforated 5d greens printed, with many thousands sold to the public. I have 2 blocks of this variety.
The true name for the 5d green are misperfs as the perforation is seen further from the stamp.
The 1959 5d blue, only 10 in existence, is much different, unlike the variety created by the post office to be sold to collectors, the 5d blue is a real error found on only one sheet printed for over the counter use. It is catalogued by ACSC at $5,000, I bought the stamp for nearly $3,500.
Notice there is no perforation at the end of the margin.
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What attracted you to buy this stamp? I avoid all errors, etc. so curious about motivations.
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Hi angore
As a specialised regnal collector, I collect the complete series of stamps issued during the reign of KGVI and Elizabeth II, including all major varieties, errors and all specimen during their reign.
The stamps must be totally unhinged, all gum must be original and fresh. All stamps must have all perfs intact (unless no other can be found) and free of faults.
And all rarities must be certified, as forgeries may and do exist. The stamp you see is not the most expensive I have, though it is one of the rarest. I have one that is graded as 'great rarity on cover' and another that is certified as unique, one-of-a-kind, the unique stamp is very valuable.
My avatar is of a 1952 3d green stamp with dark green tinted paper, only 30 exist, and some of those stamps are damaged, less than 15 are in this condition.
I am in the process of adding more to my collection.
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Angore, I find varieties fascinating, and I buy significant amounts of bulk material just to hunt them down. Unlike Rob, I prefer varieties that have travelled through the mail.
This is my best find to date. Australia 1936 2d Centenary of South Australia with "smoking chimney". The ordinary stamp is almost worthless, yet I recently sold this variety for A$595.
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Some used stamps are harder to get then unused, and also scarcer.
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Hi Dave,
As you know, it also exists in the blue and the one shilling.
I have the 2d somewhere, but I also have the shilling green, still looking for the blue
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hello all. this is one that puzzles me, I know its QE11 5d deep green but how could this happen, all help welcome, thanks in advance ken
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From Stanley Gibbons Commonwealth catalogue (2014)
354b is "imperf between (horiz. pair) (31.7.64) £1.50 unused £2.50 used"
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Boy, am I ever glad there are people out there with shed loads of knowledge! I collect Australia (not usually varieties though!) and if I saw this for sale I would probably pay big money for it and regret it later. Usually two stamps imperforate between constitute a major error!
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I too am surprised by the stamps' low catalogue value. I'm sure it wasn't purposely "misperfed," so it must an error that was ignored, resulting in a small flood of the booklets going into the philatelic marketplace. If I collected modern Australia definitives, I'd certainly buy a pair or even a "strip". To my mind, few things make an album page or exhibit sheet more interesting than normal stamps and obvious varieties displayed side by side. Even better to add used copies and copies on cover.
Bob
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Hi
The reason that I would say that they are not extremely valuable is that there are probably hundreds of thousands of them in existence.
Regards
Horamakhet
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hello all. thanks for the response, being in the UK sometimes it nice to get stamps like these, I have been collecting now for a few years and never sold a stamp so value is not a issue, its nice to have information on them which is what i get from this forum, thanks to all, regards ken.
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"so it must an error that was ignored, resulting in a small flood of the booklets going into the philatelic marketplace."
I can't document this, but I suspect, given how common these are, that it wasn't an error, but rather an offering of the complete uncut sheet of booklets directly to collectors. Similar to the modern uncut press sheets or the "Farley's Follies" of the US 1930s. My Australian specialized catalogue lists quantities produced as:
Sheets: 678,945,600
Booklets: 166,583,520
Odd that the sheets significantly outnumber the booklets.
Roy
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My old 1996 ACSC catalogue states that 1,500 uncut sheets of these booklet stamps were sold at philatelic sales points.
Each of these uncut sheets contained 288 stamps.
Issued booklet panes consisted of a block of six stamps (three rows of two stamps) with the pane imperf at the left, right and bottom.
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The 1963 5d green imperforate stamp came from the uncut booklet sheets placed on sale at philatelic sales points. The optimum collecting unit is a block of 9 comprising three imperforations between pairs and and three stamps imperforated one side. The booklet sheets were withdrawn from sale when stocks were exhausted in mid-1965. A total of 1,500 sheets of 288 (= 432,000 stamps) were supplied (ACSC 2019).
So, there were 432,000 of the imperforated 5d greens printed, with many thousands sold to the public. I have 2 blocks of this variety.
The true name for the 5d green are misperfs as the perforation is seen further from the stamp.
The 1959 5d blue, only 10 in existence, is much different, unlike the variety created by the post office to be sold to collectors, the 5d blue is a real error found on only one sheet printed for over the counter use. It is catalogued by ACSC at $5,000, I bought the stamp for nearly $3,500.
Notice there is no perforation at the end of the margin.
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What attracted you to buy this stamp? I avoid all errors, etc. so curious about motivations.
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Hi angore
As a specialised regnal collector, I collect the complete series of stamps issued during the reign of KGVI and Elizabeth II, including all major varieties, errors and all specimen during their reign.
The stamps must be totally unhinged, all gum must be original and fresh. All stamps must have all perfs intact (unless no other can be found) and free of faults.
And all rarities must be certified, as forgeries may and do exist. The stamp you see is not the most expensive I have, though it is one of the rarest. I have one that is graded as 'great rarity on cover' and another that is certified as unique, one-of-a-kind, the unique stamp is very valuable.
My avatar is of a 1952 3d green stamp with dark green tinted paper, only 30 exist, and some of those stamps are damaged, less than 15 are in this condition.
I am in the process of adding more to my collection.
Rob
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Angore, I find varieties fascinating, and I buy significant amounts of bulk material just to hunt them down. Unlike Rob, I prefer varieties that have travelled through the mail.
This is my best find to date. Australia 1936 2d Centenary of South Australia with "smoking chimney". The ordinary stamp is almost worthless, yet I recently sold this variety for A$595.
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Some used stamps are harder to get then unused, and also scarcer.
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Hi Dave,
As you know, it also exists in the blue and the one shilling.
I have the 2d somewhere, but I also have the shilling green, still looking for the blue
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