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Harvey, to be sure people discuss the correct numbered stamp, why not post an image of the correct stamp that you require? I'm sure you must have a catalogue that shows that particular stamp.
Yes, I do know the Canadian War Tax stamps. Unfortunately, I am not like you, I do not have all the ones I'd like to have .... money!!!
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07:56:40am
The main sites I'm talking about are ones like E-Bay where you quite regularly see stamps wrongly identified. There are only a handful of sellers there I buy from. The stamp I want is the 50 cent one and quite often the 20 cent one is given its number. Also leaving off the "i" gives a different stamp, you have to be careful.
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Is this the one? eBayer only wants CAN$1212.95 for the block!!
Not in my league!
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07:48:57am
Yup, that's the one I want! But that's out of my league as well.I'd be happy with a used single for a couple hundred to finish the war tax stamps! Someday, you never know!!
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06:23:25am
" ... I even have a pasted up strip of four of two each
of MR7 and MR7a, a real rarity. ...."
Pasted up strip ???
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I think he meant that he glued up the 4 to make a very rare block.
Correct me if I am wrong!
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07:33:22am
I have the war tax stamp now that I needed, so that's OK. For those who don't know what a "pasted strip" is: Usually you see it with coils, it's when one group of coils is pasted, usually with a small strip of paper, to another group of coils. The area where the groups are connected, usually one on each side, is called the "pasted strip". Several countries did this at one time or another. I was lucky enough to find a war tax version for Canada, two MR7's connected to two MR7a's. They are mentioned in Scott's if they are known to exist.
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08:14:07am
I was not wondering what a pasted up strip was, as that is,
as noted, done by many postal printers, but from the way you
described two of one variant, connected to two of a different
variant, it seemed (To me, anyway.) as though you had done the
attaching to make two pairs into the strip of four.
The CDMH has a whole chapter about how Machin coils are laid out,
cut and assembled as well as a list of the known coil leaders.
But then, that brings up the question; How can one be certain the
printing agency connected the two pairs to create a rare strip and
not some ambitious (???) collector.
Is there a marking of some kind ?
I always wondered about that with Machin coil leader strips.
Can you create a scan of the strip you have showing the junction..
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Joe,
great explanation of pasted up strip, with context and typical use.
Funny how one topic can lead to another or, at least, an exploration in greater depth of an aspect of the first topic.
Nice job, and glad you got what you need.
David
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I see misidentification of stamps on eBay as an opportunity. When I find one, I'm immediately scanning "seller's other items" for the gold.
There are lots of stamp sellers that don't seem to know or care about what they're selling. They're often quite uninformed about condition issues as well. And, very unlikely to look at things like paper type or watermark.
There are some stamps that are very difficult to buy sight-unseen.
The poster child for me is Denmark Sc# 44d. Rare, high-value, very common design, common perforation, but unusual watermark. Not only that, but the unusual watermark is fairly difficult to distinguish from the common watermark. The look-alike is Sc# 44, which is worth 1500X less than #44d. I've looked at thousands of #44 and am resigned to the realization that I'm never going to be able to buy #44d sight-unseen.
-Paul
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12:49:24pm
Usually a pasted up strip is only two stamps, but there is no real reason for this. You could obviously have any number on either side, mine just happens to be two plus two with 2 MR7's connected to 2 MR7a's. The Unitrade Specialized calls this MR7v if it was a strip of one of each. The price is fairly high and I really trust the person I bought it from. It should probably be certified but since I collect mainly for enjoyment I really don't want to get into that. I like the strip for what it is not really for it's value. When I'm no longer here the new owner can worry about that! The connection between the two pairs on the back is so well done that I doubt if a picture would show it up. If it wasn't for the diffferences in the colours of the two stamps it would just look like a strip of 4 coils. Every time I try to include photos in this area it always says the pictures are too large. I used to be high tech, but not any more, so I have no idea how to fix this. So just use your imagination, I guess - sorry!!! But it is one of my treasures and I enjoy looking at it. Why would they join these stamps instead of just starting a new batch of coils? I'm pretty sure several countries did this, I seem to remember Ireland and the US. Any comments? By the way, my example is mint with what appears to be a full coating of original gum. Unitrade lists MR7v as mint only with a 200% premium for unhinged.
Edit: Just noted the new system will handle larger image sizes. Maybe that will make a difference!
I also got very lucky on the MR2Di I picked up to finish the set. It was part of a lot of Canada BOB I picked up at a very fair price, I paid less for the lot than I would have probably had to pay for the single stamp. And I got to pass the rest of the lot on to another collector. I wish I had luck like that more often!!
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When items are mis-identified, isn't curious that 90% are in favor of the seller.
I see it all the time in difficult areas, such as Saudi Arabia, early Turkey, etc... and often misidentification accounts for 50% of the listings. I usually flag it to the seller, but there are so many "mistakes", I am not going to do it as a full time job!
Wishful thinking or deliberate dishonesty?
rrr.....
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05:05:27pm
"The production of the first coil stamps, dating in the United States from 1908, began with the flat-plate-press printing of normal stamp sheets which contained the standard 400 images. The sheets were then gummed, perforated in one direction only, and cut in the other direction into twenty strips consisting of twenty stamps apiece. Strips would subsequently be pasted together to produce coils of 500 or 1000 stamps. [1] At each join, the paper from the end of one strip would overlap the beginning of the next (the overlap is termed a "paste-up tab"). A pair of stamps that straddles the join is known as a paste-up pair.
U. S. Paste-up pair, 1912
In the mid-1920s, rotary presses came into use for printing stamps which used long rolls of paper rather than individual sheets, and this made the paste-up phase unnecessary, as sheets of any length could be produced by the press and merely needed to be cut into strips. [2]"
Found this using Google, it explains the process and the reasons behind it very well!
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The previous comments are probably why we use the term "coil join" instead of "paste up". It can't be misunderstood.
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Hmmm, for as long as I can remember (over 50 years now!) "paste up pair" has been the term. I haven't heard of any other term.
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04 May 2021
05:25:26pm
There is one Canada BOB stamp I need to complete my basic set of War Tax stamps, or at least the main ones from Scott's. I even have a pasted up strip of four of two each of MR7 and MR7a, a real rarity. The only one I'm missing is MR2Di, I realize if you don't use Scott's and collect Canada war tax stamps this is gobbledygook! I find it occasionally on various sites and half the time the stamp is misidentified. Hence, the title of the post!!
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Harvey, to be sure people discuss the correct numbered stamp, why not post an image of the correct stamp that you require? I'm sure you must have a catalogue that shows that particular stamp.
Yes, I do know the Canadian War Tax stamps. Unfortunately, I am not like you, I do not have all the ones I'd like to have .... money!!!
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05 May 2021
07:56:40am
re: If people insist on using a number at least get it right!
The main sites I'm talking about are ones like E-Bay where you quite regularly see stamps wrongly identified. There are only a handful of sellers there I buy from. The stamp I want is the 50 cent one and quite often the 20 cent one is given its number. Also leaving off the "i" gives a different stamp, you have to be careful.
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Is this the one? eBayer only wants CAN$1212.95 for the block!!
Not in my league!
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08 May 2021
07:48:57am
re: If people insist on using a number at least get it right!
Yup, that's the one I want! But that's out of my league as well.I'd be happy with a used single for a couple hundred to finish the war tax stamps! Someday, you never know!!
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07 Feb 2022
06:23:25am
re: If people insist on using a number at least get it right!
" ... I even have a pasted up strip of four of two each
of MR7 and MR7a, a real rarity. ...."
Pasted up strip ???
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I think he meant that he glued up the 4 to make a very rare block.
Correct me if I am wrong!
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07 Feb 2022
07:33:22am
re: If people insist on using a number at least get it right!
I have the war tax stamp now that I needed, so that's OK. For those who don't know what a "pasted strip" is: Usually you see it with coils, it's when one group of coils is pasted, usually with a small strip of paper, to another group of coils. The area where the groups are connected, usually one on each side, is called the "pasted strip". Several countries did this at one time or another. I was lucky enough to find a war tax version for Canada, two MR7's connected to two MR7a's. They are mentioned in Scott's if they are known to exist.
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07 Feb 2022
08:14:07am
re: If people insist on using a number at least get it right!
I was not wondering what a pasted up strip was, as that is,
as noted, done by many postal printers, but from the way you
described two of one variant, connected to two of a different
variant, it seemed (To me, anyway.) as though you had done the
attaching to make two pairs into the strip of four.
The CDMH has a whole chapter about how Machin coils are laid out,
cut and assembled as well as a list of the known coil leaders.
But then, that brings up the question; How can one be certain the
printing agency connected the two pairs to create a rare strip and
not some ambitious (???) collector.
Is there a marking of some kind ?
I always wondered about that with Machin coil leader strips.
Can you create a scan of the strip you have showing the junction..
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re: If people insist on using a number at least get it right!
Joe,
great explanation of pasted up strip, with context and typical use.
Funny how one topic can lead to another or, at least, an exploration in greater depth of an aspect of the first topic.
Nice job, and glad you got what you need.
David
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09:32:23am
re: If people insist on using a number at least get it right!
I see misidentification of stamps on eBay as an opportunity. When I find one, I'm immediately scanning "seller's other items" for the gold.
There are lots of stamp sellers that don't seem to know or care about what they're selling. They're often quite uninformed about condition issues as well. And, very unlikely to look at things like paper type or watermark.
There are some stamps that are very difficult to buy sight-unseen.
The poster child for me is Denmark Sc# 44d. Rare, high-value, very common design, common perforation, but unusual watermark. Not only that, but the unusual watermark is fairly difficult to distinguish from the common watermark. The look-alike is Sc# 44, which is worth 1500X less than #44d. I've looked at thousands of #44 and am resigned to the realization that I'm never going to be able to buy #44d sight-unseen.
-Paul
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07 Feb 2022
12:49:24pm
re: If people insist on using a number at least get it right!
Usually a pasted up strip is only two stamps, but there is no real reason for this. You could obviously have any number on either side, mine just happens to be two plus two with 2 MR7's connected to 2 MR7a's. The Unitrade Specialized calls this MR7v if it was a strip of one of each. The price is fairly high and I really trust the person I bought it from. It should probably be certified but since I collect mainly for enjoyment I really don't want to get into that. I like the strip for what it is not really for it's value. When I'm no longer here the new owner can worry about that! The connection between the two pairs on the back is so well done that I doubt if a picture would show it up. If it wasn't for the diffferences in the colours of the two stamps it would just look like a strip of 4 coils. Every time I try to include photos in this area it always says the pictures are too large. I used to be high tech, but not any more, so I have no idea how to fix this. So just use your imagination, I guess - sorry!!! But it is one of my treasures and I enjoy looking at it. Why would they join these stamps instead of just starting a new batch of coils? I'm pretty sure several countries did this, I seem to remember Ireland and the US. Any comments? By the way, my example is mint with what appears to be a full coating of original gum. Unitrade lists MR7v as mint only with a 200% premium for unhinged.
Edit: Just noted the new system will handle larger image sizes. Maybe that will make a difference!
I also got very lucky on the MR2Di I picked up to finish the set. It was part of a lot of Canada BOB I picked up at a very fair price, I paid less for the lot than I would have probably had to pay for the single stamp. And I got to pass the rest of the lot on to another collector. I wish I had luck like that more often!!
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When items are mis-identified, isn't curious that 90% are in favor of the seller.
I see it all the time in difficult areas, such as Saudi Arabia, early Turkey, etc... and often misidentification accounts for 50% of the listings. I usually flag it to the seller, but there are so many "mistakes", I am not going to do it as a full time job!
Wishful thinking or deliberate dishonesty?
rrr.....
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07 Feb 2022
05:05:27pm
re: If people insist on using a number at least get it right!
"The production of the first coil stamps, dating in the United States from 1908, began with the flat-plate-press printing of normal stamp sheets which contained the standard 400 images. The sheets were then gummed, perforated in one direction only, and cut in the other direction into twenty strips consisting of twenty stamps apiece. Strips would subsequently be pasted together to produce coils of 500 or 1000 stamps. [1] At each join, the paper from the end of one strip would overlap the beginning of the next (the overlap is termed a "paste-up tab"). A pair of stamps that straddles the join is known as a paste-up pair.
U. S. Paste-up pair, 1912
In the mid-1920s, rotary presses came into use for printing stamps which used long rolls of paper rather than individual sheets, and this made the paste-up phase unnecessary, as sheets of any length could be produced by the press and merely needed to be cut into strips. [2]"
Found this using Google, it explains the process and the reasons behind it very well!
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re: If people insist on using a number at least get it right!
The previous comments are probably why we use the term "coil join" instead of "paste up". It can't be misunderstood.
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re: If people insist on using a number at least get it right!
Hmmm, for as long as I can remember (over 50 years now!) "paste up pair" has been the term. I haven't heard of any other term.
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