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I have exhausted my capabilities. Thanks.
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Kuban Cossack Republic (1918-1920). Not listed in SG, but I think it's in Scott
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Much appreciated. I thought I already looked at that. But appeared a little different. But I kind of thought that myself. Thanks again.
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Now I know why. I just looked. My reference doesn't show a (5) but everything else. Strange. It's not very comprehensive I know but should at least list it. Hmmm so I'm guessing (5) is unlisted completely. No wonder I could never find it.
Update : yes I read an article just now. No 5 value was issued I believe. No 5 or on 14 k. No 14 k at all. Strange. Well there it is !!!
I don't see it. That is a pretty comprehensive article. Even provides a picture of the people....
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I was able to locate a 25r on a 14k. RR. But only thing it could be would be if the 2 were
missing, but givin the central location of the 5 I don't know.....and unlikely.
5 is totally different. It has the same 5 as in 50.
Is it possible it's fake ?
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08:18:21am
Looked in my Minkus Russia album BOB. I have it as Siberia, Admiral Kolchak, issue of 1919 perforated, #6, at $7.50.
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I agree, the 5r/14k stamp is Siberia SG 10 / Sc. #6 from Admiral Kolchak's government.
The inverted surcharge 25r/3k is South Russia SG 7a / Sc. 41a from the Kuban Territory.
I can't comment if they're genuine or not.
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10:13:37am
I remember reading somewhere that many of the Russia BOB overprints have been faked at one time or another. They were faked so they could be used for Postal purposes, not for philatelic purposes. Also it is hard for people like us to tell, the worst are the early Poland overprints. I refuse to pay much for this stuff since there is a good chance it is not for real. Much of this "stuff" is high priced on E-Bay, but it rarely sells! Occasionally you see certificates but I think the experts have problems as well - SO BEWARE!!!
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Scott: Siberia #6
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Thanks Gentleman.
I value your opinions greatly.
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Stamp Show Here Today podcast just talked about faked overprints. They are very easy to do with ink jet or laser printers. Exact replicas can be easily printed on any stamp. I've always been leery of any overprint, especially expensive ones.
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I agree totally. With technology today they can most likely duplicate any stamp. Not most likely but they can. I have seen examples made and the only way you can tell is the paper on some. They also take base stamps and just print on them the overprint. Pretty simple and I imagine very difficult to certify.
I asked a guy selling them on eBay who was reproducing rarities.
He said if there is not a stamp to compare it with then how can it be proven they are reproduced.
I didn't reply.
He was also making stamps that were unissued.
A placeholder I guess. Dunno
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05:43:09pm
A little off topic, but not really, but when I was an antique dealer the bottom fell out of some Depression Glass patterns because of the huge number of pieces being reproduced. I wonder if the same thing will happen to stamps. I know the dealer I have been using for many years is taking losses on early Poland stamps because he can't guarantee they are not fake. This sort of thing could hurt the hobby big time if buyers get much more worried about repros. The market has really fallen out of the glass and china market lately, but that's mainly because young people don't want "stuff" any more. I'm sure the same thing will eventually hit the stamp market, especially when all of us "old farts" start to die off!! Have a good day!
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Last week I was looking at the American First Day Cover Society and saw they had a Facebook page. I was amazed that people were openly selling older first day covers that they recently added inkjet cachets onto. They were honest about it, most of them were marked and one seller called it a new cachet line.
Here when I did a couple a few years ago, even though I marked them on the back with the date the cachet was added, I felt like a counterfeiter!
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03:27:12pm
" ... He said if there is not a stamp to compare it with then how can it be proven they are reproduced. ..."
Another version is a response I received from a supposed German expert who declared that a certain Danzig stamp with inverted burelage was "Falsch" because he had no such example in his collection.
So was the perf wrong, the ink wrong, the burlage too flat or too curved, no.
How about the gum or the paper or the lack of some secret marks, known only to the "expert" no, just what may well been pig headed jealousy in not having anything to compare it to in his (Incomplete) reference collection.
Here I am skipping what words I used when he sent me a bill for his inability to answer honestly. He, as two other experts did, could have said, I haven't seen an example like this, but I can neither affirm its genuineness nor condemn it as false Under that comment two copies from what had been a block of six when I found them, were sold at a different German Auction House for several hundred dollars each.
For several years I hoped to find out that he was attending some national stamp show in the US so I could have further given h
(I must have been distracted when I posted this and either
failed to finish my thought or accidentally eased the words.)
So, yes I would like to have had the chance to chat with him
before they tossed me out of the room.
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11:46:51pm
I have exhausted my capabilities. Thanks.
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re: A little help here fellow philatelists.
Kuban Cossack Republic (1918-1920). Not listed in SG, but I think it's in Scott
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01:10:04am
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Much appreciated. I thought I already looked at that. But appeared a little different. But I kind of thought that myself. Thanks again.
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01:15:30am
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Now I know why. I just looked. My reference doesn't show a (5) but everything else. Strange. It's not very comprehensive I know but should at least list it. Hmmm so I'm guessing (5) is unlisted completely. No wonder I could never find it.
Update : yes I read an article just now. No 5 value was issued I believe. No 5 or on 14 k. No 14 k at all. Strange. Well there it is !!!
I don't see it. That is a pretty comprehensive article. Even provides a picture of the people....
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03:20:04am
re: A little help here fellow philatelists.
I was able to locate a 25r on a 14k. RR. But only thing it could be would be if the 2 were
missing, but givin the central location of the 5 I don't know.....and unlikely.
5 is totally different. It has the same 5 as in 50.
Is it possible it's fake ?
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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
03 May 2021
08:18:21am
re: A little help here fellow philatelists.
Looked in my Minkus Russia album BOB. I have it as Siberia, Admiral Kolchak, issue of 1919 perforated, #6, at $7.50.
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re: A little help here fellow philatelists.
I agree, the 5r/14k stamp is Siberia SG 10 / Sc. #6 from Admiral Kolchak's government.
The inverted surcharge 25r/3k is South Russia SG 7a / Sc. 41a from the Kuban Territory.
I can't comment if they're genuine or not.
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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
03 May 2021
10:13:37am
re: A little help here fellow philatelists.
I remember reading somewhere that many of the Russia BOB overprints have been faked at one time or another. They were faked so they could be used for Postal purposes, not for philatelic purposes. Also it is hard for people like us to tell, the worst are the early Poland overprints. I refuse to pay much for this stuff since there is a good chance it is not for real. Much of this "stuff" is high priced on E-Bay, but it rarely sells! Occasionally you see certificates but I think the experts have problems as well - SO BEWARE!!!
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12:41:08pm
re: A little help here fellow philatelists.
Scott: Siberia #6
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12:48:13pm
re: A little help here fellow philatelists.
Thanks Gentleman.
I value your opinions greatly.
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re: A little help here fellow philatelists.
Stamp Show Here Today podcast just talked about faked overprints. They are very easy to do with ink jet or laser printers. Exact replicas can be easily printed on any stamp. I've always been leery of any overprint, especially expensive ones.
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05:18:55pm
re: A little help here fellow philatelists.
I agree totally. With technology today they can most likely duplicate any stamp. Not most likely but they can. I have seen examples made and the only way you can tell is the paper on some. They also take base stamps and just print on them the overprint. Pretty simple and I imagine very difficult to certify.
I asked a guy selling them on eBay who was reproducing rarities.
He said if there is not a stamp to compare it with then how can it be proven they are reproduced.
I didn't reply.
He was also making stamps that were unissued.
A placeholder I guess. Dunno
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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
06 May 2021
05:43:09pm
re: A little help here fellow philatelists.
A little off topic, but not really, but when I was an antique dealer the bottom fell out of some Depression Glass patterns because of the huge number of pieces being reproduced. I wonder if the same thing will happen to stamps. I know the dealer I have been using for many years is taking losses on early Poland stamps because he can't guarantee they are not fake. This sort of thing could hurt the hobby big time if buyers get much more worried about repros. The market has really fallen out of the glass and china market lately, but that's mainly because young people don't want "stuff" any more. I'm sure the same thing will eventually hit the stamp market, especially when all of us "old farts" start to die off!! Have a good day!
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re: A little help here fellow philatelists.
Last week I was looking at the American First Day Cover Society and saw they had a Facebook page. I was amazed that people were openly selling older first day covers that they recently added inkjet cachets onto. They were honest about it, most of them were marked and one seller called it a new cachet line.
Here when I did a couple a few years ago, even though I marked them on the back with the date the cachet was added, I felt like a counterfeiter!
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
14 May 2021
03:27:12pm
re: A little help here fellow philatelists.
" ... He said if there is not a stamp to compare it with then how can it be proven they are reproduced. ..."
Another version is a response I received from a supposed German expert who declared that a certain Danzig stamp with inverted burelage was "Falsch" because he had no such example in his collection.
So was the perf wrong, the ink wrong, the burlage too flat or too curved, no.
How about the gum or the paper or the lack of some secret marks, known only to the "expert" no, just what may well been pig headed jealousy in not having anything to compare it to in his (Incomplete) reference collection.
Here I am skipping what words I used when he sent me a bill for his inability to answer honestly. He, as two other experts did, could have said, I haven't seen an example like this, but I can neither affirm its genuineness nor condemn it as false Under that comment two copies from what had been a block of six when I found them, were sold at a different German Auction House for several hundred dollars each.
For several years I hoped to find out that he was attending some national stamp show in the US so I could have further given h
(I must have been distracted when I posted this and either
failed to finish my thought or accidentally eased the words.)
So, yes I would like to have had the chance to chat with him
before they tossed me out of the room.
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