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Perf11

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19 Apr 2021
02:56:54am
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Is anyone familiar with Czechoslovakia ? I believe this is from the 4th printing but it appears to be lake red....is this unusual ?

Thanks.

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The bottom image is an Italian stamp that I found out today was unissued. Kind of a nice surprise.

Also found another 30c Orange Segnatase like the one I ruined. Now if anyone has a stamp I could borrow like the one pictured above I could duplicate it. Just the center part though. Thanks. Winking

I'll use red ink it will be even better.


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19 Apr 2021
05:58:39am
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Guess I should have posted this. Sorry I fell asleep. In all three instances the T is on the left hand of the V in Czech. Rather than center or right hand. So I'm thinking 4th printing at least. The first one is obviously different but 2 and 3 ??? Just the lake red..and the water marks appear vertical with the non lake red inverted also. It's unusual.


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19 Apr 2021
06:17:56am
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Well this is what Im seeing. The top is the middle photo and the bottom the right in the photo of the 3 examples.

So maybe vertical and horizontal ? Read from the front so not inverted. I think.



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19 Apr 2021
08:30:23am
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The early Masaryk issues present an interesting (challenging?) collecting opportunity.

Masaryk is most famous for leading the pre-Armistice campaign to unite the Czechs and Slovaks under the banner of a single nation. He is also credited as a key proponent of Woodrow Wilson’s plan for a post-war Europe in 1918. Consequently, Masaryk was elected the first president of the new republic.

If you are using the Scott catalogue the Masaryk definitives are listed as 95 through 108, 116-117, 125,128, 129, 130, 131, and B133 through B143; upwards of 38 entries. In my opinion Scott has done a decent job presenting identifying details regarding these stamps.

Czech specialists will likely identify several additional varieties to increase the count. Including perforation, shades, size, and overprints.

The 1925 issue is the first stamp of Czechoslovakia to be produced on watermarked paper. The watermark is linden leaves, the country’s national tree. All tolled, am aware of eight different watermark positions.

A couple of good resources for the study of the early Masaryk issues are Henry Hahn’s Stamps with a Portrait of T.G. Masaryk, and Phillips B. Freer’s For Beginners: The Philately of Czechoslovakia.

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Perf11

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19 Apr 2021
01:57:22pm
re: Is anyone familiar with this czech ?

Unfortunately I don't have a scotts specialized on this yet. But what I found on the internet is showing basically 7 different types spanning 1925-1927.

A challenging series for sure but after 181 years of philatelic study 1840-2021 I'm surprised there isn't more definitive information.

I have a series of 4 Hradcany castle 1926 with watermark. But the 1927 issue supposedly has no watermark.

So if my Lake Red variety is from 1927 based on the type cause some of the types were supposely produced in 1927 then it couldn't have a watermark.

So I guess I need to figure out which type. But one source is saying 4 types another 7 and definitely not a lake red.

So just confused I guess. And as far as watermark. That mystery shall remain unsolved as far as I'm concerned. 8 different. Lol

Thanks.


Update : 1927 Type V Lake Red with watermark. un catalogued.

2nd update: minus the horizontal lines in the top .


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19 Apr 2021
05:42:59pm
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Perf11...

What is the source of the watermark design you posted earlier today?

Am asking because it looks like a mirror (reverse) image of the linden leaves “Position 7”.

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19 Apr 2021
05:52:38pm
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Kindly confirm the perforation of the first stamp you presented as 10.

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19 Apr 2021
06:08:03pm
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yes it's a perf 10.

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19 Apr 2021
06:10:43pm
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And I just noticed I posted the wrong picture with regards to the watermarks. It's difficult to pull photos from the gallery of watermarks that are confusing.

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19 Apr 2021
06:45:39pm
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Lighting is a little different. Maybe easier to view. It's of the 10 perf lake red color stamp.

My apologies it's just that I have several with similar watermarks with the orientation different.


There I replaced the above photo.

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19 Apr 2021
07:15:06pm
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Tommorow will attempt to scan and post the linden leaf watermark positions.

FWIW today discovered the Henry Hahn book is (still) available from the Society for Czech Philately for the bargain price of six dollars.

Believe the Phillips Freer book is OOP.

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19 Apr 2021
07:22:39pm
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I read something about a P1 watermark. Is that the Linden Leaf watermark ? And thanks for the info. And this is more in-depth then I ever thought. Assuming it's the linden leaf position 1.

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19 Apr 2021
08:34:27pm
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Thanks anyway. I just found them after alot of digging..Since everyone is just so forth coming with info. Sure I'll retain it much longer this way.

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19 Apr 2021
08:40:39pm
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"Since everyone is just so forth coming with info"




...really?


This entire thread has all been posted on ONE DAY - and you expect faster responses?

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19 Apr 2021
09:08:55pm
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I'm thinking P4 and P7.

Sure I have alot to learn. I started this early. If you want I can slow down for you. Big Grin


I have a bunch more. So take care all. I wont burden you.

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19 Apr 2021
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It is out of focus. Stop using a camera. Use a scanner.

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20 Apr 2021
08:29:49pm
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I made this today for all the scanner enthusiasts. Believe it or not that's a camera. Although I need to modify the plastic back round causing the glare.

So ditch those antiquated scanners and welcome to the 21st century. Applause


You'd be amazed how simple it was.

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20 Apr 2021
09:14:16pm
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And what I understand about these Czech are. That if it has the vertical watermark 1-4 that's it's rare.

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21 Apr 2021
03:26:45am
re: Is anyone familiar with this czech ?

Every photo of the watermarks is blurred. My Canon Lide 400 scanner cost me $120 in Australia. Invest, you'll get a lot more interest and responses.

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21 Apr 2021
02:24:36pm
re: Is anyone familiar with this czech ?

There are 7 types of this stamp
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THEN there are 4 watermark positions for most type
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But do get a scanner or a camera stand - the images are of no use
Canon LIDE Type simple to use scanners that run off USB power can be found from $60-$100
Combinations of the above can alter the CV significantly

Forgot to add - there are also forgeries but that's another topic

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27 Apr 2021
02:56:16am
re: Is anyone familiar with this czech ?

Honestly my scanner is packed. Moving.

But I made these. I determined it a type VII.

But the mustache is tricky. I found a type VII that was sold and the mustache appeared to be identical to mine.

But I think mine could possibly be a 6 based on those images.

Not sure.

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Definitely a 6 or 7.


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This I'm not certain. I have a picture of one sold as a 7 but not sure on mine. Mine also has a p8 watermark. Same as the one sold. So maybe 7 ????


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27 Apr 2021
03:21:52am
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And can anyone tell me the CV for the type 7 with P8. Thanks.

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27 Apr 2021
03:25:51am
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This has a cert. Sold for approximately 1000 us. P8 watermark.


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Look closely. One hair protrudes down but the rest are there.

Just shaded.

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Perf11

Of course I talk to myself. Sometimes I need expert advice !

19 Apr 2021
02:56:54am

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Is anyone familiar with Czechoslovakia ? I believe this is from the 4th printing but it appears to be lake red....is this unusual ?

Thanks.

Image Not Found

The bottom image is an Italian stamp that I found out today was unissued. Kind of a nice surprise.

Also found another 30c Orange Segnatase like the one I ruined. Now if anyone has a stamp I could borrow like the one pictured above I could duplicate it. Just the center part though. Thanks. Winking

I'll use red ink it will be even better.


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19 Apr 2021
05:58:39am

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Guess I should have posted this. Sorry I fell asleep. In all three instances the T is on the left hand of the V in Czech. Rather than center or right hand. So I'm thinking 4th printing at least. The first one is obviously different but 2 and 3 ??? Just the lake red..and the water marks appear vertical with the non lake red inverted also. It's unusual.


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Perf11

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19 Apr 2021
06:17:56am

re: Is anyone familiar with this czech ?

Well this is what Im seeing. The top is the middle photo and the bottom the right in the photo of the 3 examples.

So maybe vertical and horizontal ? Read from the front so not inverted. I think.



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Calstamp

19 Apr 2021
08:30:23am

re: Is anyone familiar with this czech ?


The early Masaryk issues present an interesting (challenging?) collecting opportunity.

Masaryk is most famous for leading the pre-Armistice campaign to unite the Czechs and Slovaks under the banner of a single nation. He is also credited as a key proponent of Woodrow Wilson’s plan for a post-war Europe in 1918. Consequently, Masaryk was elected the first president of the new republic.

If you are using the Scott catalogue the Masaryk definitives are listed as 95 through 108, 116-117, 125,128, 129, 130, 131, and B133 through B143; upwards of 38 entries. In my opinion Scott has done a decent job presenting identifying details regarding these stamps.

Czech specialists will likely identify several additional varieties to increase the count. Including perforation, shades, size, and overprints.

The 1925 issue is the first stamp of Czechoslovakia to be produced on watermarked paper. The watermark is linden leaves, the country’s national tree. All tolled, am aware of eight different watermark positions.

A couple of good resources for the study of the early Masaryk issues are Henry Hahn’s Stamps with a Portrait of T.G. Masaryk, and Phillips B. Freer’s For Beginners: The Philately of Czechoslovakia.

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Perf11

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19 Apr 2021
01:57:22pm

re: Is anyone familiar with this czech ?

Unfortunately I don't have a scotts specialized on this yet. But what I found on the internet is showing basically 7 different types spanning 1925-1927.

A challenging series for sure but after 181 years of philatelic study 1840-2021 I'm surprised there isn't more definitive information.

I have a series of 4 Hradcany castle 1926 with watermark. But the 1927 issue supposedly has no watermark.

So if my Lake Red variety is from 1927 based on the type cause some of the types were supposely produced in 1927 then it couldn't have a watermark.

So I guess I need to figure out which type. But one source is saying 4 types another 7 and definitely not a lake red.

So just confused I guess. And as far as watermark. That mystery shall remain unsolved as far as I'm concerned. 8 different. Lol

Thanks.


Update : 1927 Type V Lake Red with watermark. un catalogued.

2nd update: minus the horizontal lines in the top .


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19 Apr 2021
05:42:59pm

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Perf11...

What is the source of the watermark design you posted earlier today?

Am asking because it looks like a mirror (reverse) image of the linden leaves “Position 7”.

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Calstamp

19 Apr 2021
05:52:38pm

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Kindly confirm the perforation of the first stamp you presented as 10.

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19 Apr 2021
06:08:03pm

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yes it's a perf 10.

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19 Apr 2021
06:10:43pm

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And I just noticed I posted the wrong picture with regards to the watermarks. It's difficult to pull photos from the gallery of watermarks that are confusing.

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19 Apr 2021
06:45:39pm

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Lighting is a little different. Maybe easier to view. It's of the 10 perf lake red color stamp.

My apologies it's just that I have several with similar watermarks with the orientation different.


There I replaced the above photo.

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19 Apr 2021
07:15:06pm

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Tommorow will attempt to scan and post the linden leaf watermark positions.

FWIW today discovered the Henry Hahn book is (still) available from the Society for Czech Philately for the bargain price of six dollars.

Believe the Phillips Freer book is OOP.

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Perf11

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19 Apr 2021
07:22:39pm

re: Is anyone familiar with this czech ?

I read something about a P1 watermark. Is that the Linden Leaf watermark ? And thanks for the info. And this is more in-depth then I ever thought. Assuming it's the linden leaf position 1.

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19 Apr 2021
08:34:27pm

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Thanks anyway. I just found them after alot of digging..Since everyone is just so forth coming with info. Sure I'll retain it much longer this way.

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re: Is anyone familiar with this czech ?

"Since everyone is just so forth coming with info"




...really?


This entire thread has all been posted on ONE DAY - and you expect faster responses?

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19 Apr 2021
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I'm thinking P4 and P7.

Sure I have alot to learn. I started this early. If you want I can slow down for you. Big Grin


I have a bunch more. So take care all. I wont burden you.

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19 Apr 2021
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It is out of focus. Stop using a camera. Use a scanner.

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20 Apr 2021
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I made this today for all the scanner enthusiasts. Believe it or not that's a camera. Although I need to modify the plastic back round causing the glare.

So ditch those antiquated scanners and welcome to the 21st century. Applause


You'd be amazed how simple it was.

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20 Apr 2021
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And what I understand about these Czech are. That if it has the vertical watermark 1-4 that's it's rare.

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21 Apr 2021
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Every photo of the watermarks is blurred. My Canon Lide 400 scanner cost me $120 in Australia. Invest, you'll get a lot more interest and responses.

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21 Apr 2021
02:24:36pm

re: Is anyone familiar with this czech ?

There are 7 types of this stamp
Image Not Found

THEN there are 4 watermark positions for most type
Image Not Found

But do get a scanner or a camera stand - the images are of no use
Canon LIDE Type simple to use scanners that run off USB power can be found from $60-$100
Combinations of the above can alter the CV significantly

Forgot to add - there are also forgeries but that's another topic

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Perf11

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27 Apr 2021
02:56:16am

re: Is anyone familiar with this czech ?

Honestly my scanner is packed. Moving.

But I made these. I determined it a type VII.

But the mustache is tricky. I found a type VII that was sold and the mustache appeared to be identical to mine.

But I think mine could possibly be a 6 based on those images.

Not sure.

Image Not Found


Definitely a 6 or 7.


Image Not Found


This I'm not certain. I have a picture of one sold as a 7 but not sure on mine. Mine also has a p8 watermark. Same as the one sold. So maybe 7 ????


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27 Apr 2021
03:21:52am

re: Is anyone familiar with this czech ?

And can anyone tell me the CV for the type 7 with P8. Thanks.

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27 Apr 2021
03:25:51am

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This has a cert. Sold for approximately 1000 us. P8 watermark.


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Look closely. One hair protrudes down but the rest are there.

Just shaded.

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