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It really does matter ,you should see what travellers try to bring into Australia ,plants they dug up out their garden stick it in a bag with the soil and beetles still attached and put in their baggage some of the stuff they confiscate is very expensive to buy and isn't allowed into Australia.The thing is 99% of them do not declare it ,if they did they would still get it taken off them but because they don't declare it they cop a several hundred dollar fine into the bargain.
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Sometimes it could get silly. We took a smallish survey boat from Singapore to Portland in Victoria. That was our first stop in Australia to change over to an Australian marine crew. In Singapore we had provisioned with frozen meat which was either Australian or New Zealand which was rather silly in hindsight. The customs made us put it all in a skip and buy again in Portland. The poor Salvation Army girl who I think must have run a seaman's mission was heartbroken as she said there were people in the town who couldn't afford such quality meat. (No, I don't know the answer.)
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We have to be careful in what we send as Birthday and Christmas presents to my son and his partner in Sydney because of their quarantine rules.
They are quite right in limiting what goes into the country as something like Foot and Mouth disease would devastate their farming.
Here in the UK I have lived through 2 F & M outbreaks and it is heart breaking to see a Herd of cows that have taken a lifetime of breeding destroyed and half a dozen pillars of smoke in a valley as the bodies are being burnt. (Not a pretty sight or smell)
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Many years ago, during a foot and mouth outbreak in the UK, we went from the UK to visit my sister in Spain. As normal we said is there anything we can bring with us, some hot dogs was the reply.
So off to the store pick up a couple of packs of dogs, produced and vacuum packed in Austria, imported into UK. Get to airport, and had to throw them away as not allowed to be exported because they were a meat product!
Despite pointing out that they were not a UK meat product, jobs worth decrees they had to be dumped.
Sometimes the rules or maybe the people who interpret them are just plain daft.
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Don't want to go too far down a rabbit hole here, but you guys are right up in my wheelhouse. In my current career, I spend the majority of my time managing animal product imports and exports.
Some perspective:
Concerns over containing "Foreign Animal Disease" drive much of the regulatory initiative.
Animal products moved into or out of most countries must be accompanied by a certificate of 'health'. These are issued on an individual basis for each shipment. There are office buildings full of people seeing to it that the attestations on the certificates are in accordance with the rules.
When an individual citizen attempts to move a regulated material into another country, they're completely outside that infrastructure, even if it was legally imported, because traceability (back to a legal certificate) is no longer possible at that point.
Hence, the confiscation. Pretty simple. The intolerance is very easily justified on economic grounds by the potential consequences.
The FADs of principle concern right now are FMD and African Swine Fever, both rampant in China, among other areas, both readily moved in meat products. ASF virus can survive for months in cured pork. An ASF outbreak in the US is projected to cost $50 billion to the swine industry over the first 10 years. That's not counting the cost to taxpayers of its control, which as implied, will stretch over at least a 10-year horizon. 3 years ago, before ASF, China's swine industry was 5X the size of the industry in the US. Now, it's about the same size as the US industry, and faltering badly. At least 100 million pigs have died from ASF in China.
-Paul
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Sheepshanks:
You are not permitted to bring ANY meat into Canada. That's been a rule for decades. Fresh fruit and vegetables as well.
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You are not permitted to bring any fruits and veggies or even plants from Newfoundland to mainland Canada. They have a type of plant disease , a type of potato bug, I think, that they want to keep in Newfoundland. We used to bring fresh berries back in coolers that the inspectors turned a blind eye to. We brought back slate to make a walk in our back yard and we power washed it with hot water first. It was still not allowed to be brought into NS, but we made it safe. If I'm wrong about any of this please let me know!
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"You are not permitted to bring ANY meat into Canada"
Which is a pity because I'd love to have some decent English Lincolnshire or Cumberland Sausages, even decent Easter eggs, bacon, proper fresh fruit that actually still has juice left, sadly I shall only get these when I get a holiday in the UK.
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Back in the '70's when I worked in Northern Alberta my boss, a Scot, and I walked into our local Cinema and there on a shelf was a box of Tunnocks Caramel Wafers. (A chocolate biscuit made in Uddingston Scotland.)
Sandy my boss hadn't had one for a number of years. We asked if that was the only box they had, they had two. We bought both boxes.
While everyone else were eating popcorn Sandy and I were munching Tunnocks Caramel Wafers! Sheer Bliss!!
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I remember when they used to Quarantine the sick, not the society. My best friend in 1947 came down with Scarlett Fever (whatever that is). The house was Quarantined with a big bright ribbon across the front of the porch -- "Quarantined, Do Not Enter". Times have changed.
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Here in the UK we used to have isolation hospitals for the likes of Scarlet Fever, Diptheria etc.
They were small but were on their own not part of a town or a village.
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" ... I remember when they used to Quarantine the sick, not the society. ..."
I remember the various Summer epidemics of the late '40s, of 1947 as and they were brutal. Measles, Mumps, Whooping Cough, Scarlet fever and of course Polio, All took their toll, but they were localized and avoidable. Scarlet Fever is a streptococcus infection and by then could be treated with antibiotics. It affected youths between about four or five and about sixteen and most recovered. Those were local epidemics, thus local quarantines worked quite well..
To avoid it, especially for my younger brother's sake my folks rented a cabin on Greenwood Lake each year, mostly from the proceeds of stamps my father had purchased during the "Great Depression" and WW II. Johnny had a heart problem from which he died at age nine in 1952 from that.
What we are dealing with now is a world wide PANdemic (The redundancy is intentional.) that is killing millions of people. The difference is like the difference between a fender bender in a Walmart parking lot and a sixty car pileup on your nearest interstate.
I really hope all our members who can, take the appropriate safety measures.
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Charlie, i guess i am another one of the few that remembers..chicken pox, measles, mumps..they just swept through the neighborhood..as kids we just accepted it.
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I joined the Canadian Military back in 1975. I think I have almost all the vaccines available at the time & since.
Nothing wrong with me, but of course that is MY opinion. Others may dispute that!
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"What we are dealing with now is a world wide PANdemic (The redundancy is intentional.) that is killing millions of people. The difference is like the difference between a fender bender in a Walmart parking lot and a sixty car pileup on your nearest interstate."
Amen! The reason being that people are much more mobile than they were back in the day before easy international air travel. That's how this pandemic has spread.
"I joined the Canadian Military back in 1975. I think I have almost all the vaccines available at the time & since."
My father was US Army and before we moved to Turkey in 1966 they used us as pin cushions for every vaccine they had! I credit that for the fact that I've rarely gotten ill in my lifetime! (knock on wood)
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I was also an Army brat and remember the battery of shots before we went to Germany. I believe I ended up with every shot possible except cholera. I still the little yellow book with my shot records.
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My little yellow book issued in 1975 is where my COVID papers are!
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I joined the U.S. Navy in1962. Corpsmen were using “air guns” to inject us with various vaccines. One vaccine in particular was brutal — next day not a man in my recruit company could lift his right arm. Those air guns were fast, but dangerous: if you moved during the brief puff of high-pressure air, you be lacerated. I learned recently that their use was discontinued because it was learned that they could actually transmit disease from an infected patient to an uninfected one.
I myself became a corpsman. In those days, we used reusable needles and syringes, and had to sterilize them after use and sharpen the needles. Once I vaccinated a Red Cross girl, using (unknown to me) a needle with a burr on the tip. I could feel it tearing her deltoid muscle as I pushed it into her arm and as I pulled it out. Next day she came to sick bay to show me one of the worst bruises I’ve ever seen. Amazingly, I still get Christmas cards from her!
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" I was also an Army brat and remember the battery of shots before we went to Germany. "
Where and when? I lived in Pirmasens from 1969-72
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We were at Schweinfurt from early 1963 to 1965. I do recall getting shots with a stainless steel gun type injection device.
Other bases - lots of schools.
Fort Hood Texas
Fort Campbell KY
Fort Bragg NC
Ft Hamilton NY
Okinawa - various places
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For all you military folks that were in Germany/Europe, this is one of my favourite songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ3mAeH9bdU
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i just was sorting and found this in my lets call it stuff !
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It really does matter ,you should see what travellers try to bring into Australia ,plants they dug up out their garden stick it in a bag with the soil and beetles still attached and put in their baggage some of the stuff they confiscate is very expensive to buy and isn't allowed into Australia.The thing is 99% of them do not declare it ,if they did they would still get it taken off them but because they don't declare it they cop a several hundred dollar fine into the bargain.
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Sometimes it could get silly. We took a smallish survey boat from Singapore to Portland in Victoria. That was our first stop in Australia to change over to an Australian marine crew. In Singapore we had provisioned with frozen meat which was either Australian or New Zealand which was rather silly in hindsight. The customs made us put it all in a skip and buy again in Portland. The poor Salvation Army girl who I think must have run a seaman's mission was heartbroken as she said there were people in the town who couldn't afford such quality meat. (No, I don't know the answer.)
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We have to be careful in what we send as Birthday and Christmas presents to my son and his partner in Sydney because of their quarantine rules.
They are quite right in limiting what goes into the country as something like Foot and Mouth disease would devastate their farming.
Here in the UK I have lived through 2 F & M outbreaks and it is heart breaking to see a Herd of cows that have taken a lifetime of breeding destroyed and half a dozen pillars of smoke in a valley as the bodies are being burnt. (Not a pretty sight or smell)
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Many years ago, during a foot and mouth outbreak in the UK, we went from the UK to visit my sister in Spain. As normal we said is there anything we can bring with us, some hot dogs was the reply.
So off to the store pick up a couple of packs of dogs, produced and vacuum packed in Austria, imported into UK. Get to airport, and had to throw them away as not allowed to be exported because they were a meat product!
Despite pointing out that they were not a UK meat product, jobs worth decrees they had to be dumped.
Sometimes the rules or maybe the people who interpret them are just plain daft.
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Don't want to go too far down a rabbit hole here, but you guys are right up in my wheelhouse. In my current career, I spend the majority of my time managing animal product imports and exports.
Some perspective:
Concerns over containing "Foreign Animal Disease" drive much of the regulatory initiative.
Animal products moved into or out of most countries must be accompanied by a certificate of 'health'. These are issued on an individual basis for each shipment. There are office buildings full of people seeing to it that the attestations on the certificates are in accordance with the rules.
When an individual citizen attempts to move a regulated material into another country, they're completely outside that infrastructure, even if it was legally imported, because traceability (back to a legal certificate) is no longer possible at that point.
Hence, the confiscation. Pretty simple. The intolerance is very easily justified on economic grounds by the potential consequences.
The FADs of principle concern right now are FMD and African Swine Fever, both rampant in China, among other areas, both readily moved in meat products. ASF virus can survive for months in cured pork. An ASF outbreak in the US is projected to cost $50 billion to the swine industry over the first 10 years. That's not counting the cost to taxpayers of its control, which as implied, will stretch over at least a 10-year horizon. 3 years ago, before ASF, China's swine industry was 5X the size of the industry in the US. Now, it's about the same size as the US industry, and faltering badly. At least 100 million pigs have died from ASF in China.
-Paul
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Sheepshanks:
You are not permitted to bring ANY meat into Canada. That's been a rule for decades. Fresh fruit and vegetables as well.
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You are not permitted to bring any fruits and veggies or even plants from Newfoundland to mainland Canada. They have a type of plant disease , a type of potato bug, I think, that they want to keep in Newfoundland. We used to bring fresh berries back in coolers that the inspectors turned a blind eye to. We brought back slate to make a walk in our back yard and we power washed it with hot water first. It was still not allowed to be brought into NS, but we made it safe. If I'm wrong about any of this please let me know!
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"You are not permitted to bring ANY meat into Canada"
Which is a pity because I'd love to have some decent English Lincolnshire or Cumberland Sausages, even decent Easter eggs, bacon, proper fresh fruit that actually still has juice left, sadly I shall only get these when I get a holiday in the UK.
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Back in the '70's when I worked in Northern Alberta my boss, a Scot, and I walked into our local Cinema and there on a shelf was a box of Tunnocks Caramel Wafers. (A chocolate biscuit made in Uddingston Scotland.)
Sandy my boss hadn't had one for a number of years. We asked if that was the only box they had, they had two. We bought both boxes.
While everyone else were eating popcorn Sandy and I were munching Tunnocks Caramel Wafers! Sheer Bliss!!
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I remember when they used to Quarantine the sick, not the society. My best friend in 1947 came down with Scarlett Fever (whatever that is). The house was Quarantined with a big bright ribbon across the front of the porch -- "Quarantined, Do Not Enter". Times have changed.
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Here in the UK we used to have isolation hospitals for the likes of Scarlet Fever, Diptheria etc.
They were small but were on their own not part of a town or a village.
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" ... I remember when they used to Quarantine the sick, not the society. ..."
I remember the various Summer epidemics of the late '40s, of 1947 as and they were brutal. Measles, Mumps, Whooping Cough, Scarlet fever and of course Polio, All took their toll, but they were localized and avoidable. Scarlet Fever is a streptococcus infection and by then could be treated with antibiotics. It affected youths between about four or five and about sixteen and most recovered. Those were local epidemics, thus local quarantines worked quite well..
To avoid it, especially for my younger brother's sake my folks rented a cabin on Greenwood Lake each year, mostly from the proceeds of stamps my father had purchased during the "Great Depression" and WW II. Johnny had a heart problem from which he died at age nine in 1952 from that.
What we are dealing with now is a world wide PANdemic (The redundancy is intentional.) that is killing millions of people. The difference is like the difference between a fender bender in a Walmart parking lot and a sixty car pileup on your nearest interstate.
I really hope all our members who can, take the appropriate safety measures.
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Charlie, i guess i am another one of the few that remembers..chicken pox, measles, mumps..they just swept through the neighborhood..as kids we just accepted it.
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I joined the Canadian Military back in 1975. I think I have almost all the vaccines available at the time & since.
Nothing wrong with me, but of course that is MY opinion. Others may dispute that!
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"What we are dealing with now is a world wide PANdemic (The redundancy is intentional.) that is killing millions of people. The difference is like the difference between a fender bender in a Walmart parking lot and a sixty car pileup on your nearest interstate."
Amen! The reason being that people are much more mobile than they were back in the day before easy international air travel. That's how this pandemic has spread.
"I joined the Canadian Military back in 1975. I think I have almost all the vaccines available at the time & since."
My father was US Army and before we moved to Turkey in 1966 they used us as pin cushions for every vaccine they had! I credit that for the fact that I've rarely gotten ill in my lifetime! (knock on wood)
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I was also an Army brat and remember the battery of shots before we went to Germany. I believe I ended up with every shot possible except cholera. I still the little yellow book with my shot records.
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My little yellow book issued in 1975 is where my COVID papers are!
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I joined the U.S. Navy in1962. Corpsmen were using “air guns” to inject us with various vaccines. One vaccine in particular was brutal — next day not a man in my recruit company could lift his right arm. Those air guns were fast, but dangerous: if you moved during the brief puff of high-pressure air, you be lacerated. I learned recently that their use was discontinued because it was learned that they could actually transmit disease from an infected patient to an uninfected one.
I myself became a corpsman. In those days, we used reusable needles and syringes, and had to sterilize them after use and sharpen the needles. Once I vaccinated a Red Cross girl, using (unknown to me) a needle with a burr on the tip. I could feel it tearing her deltoid muscle as I pushed it into her arm and as I pulled it out. Next day she came to sick bay to show me one of the worst bruises I’ve ever seen. Amazingly, I still get Christmas cards from her!
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" I was also an Army brat and remember the battery of shots before we went to Germany. "
Where and when? I lived in Pirmasens from 1969-72
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We were at Schweinfurt from early 1963 to 1965. I do recall getting shots with a stainless steel gun type injection device.
Other bases - lots of schools.
Fort Hood Texas
Fort Campbell KY
Fort Bragg NC
Ft Hamilton NY
Okinawa - various places
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For all you military folks that were in Germany/Europe, this is one of my favourite songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ3mAeH9bdU
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