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Horamakhet
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15 Mar 2021
06:42:26am
Hi to all

This item was in a box of mixed stamps, which were mainly Australian Pre-Decimal and Decimal.

Can anyone tell me what it is?

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Benque
15 Mar 2021
08:22:40am
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It is.....................upside down, I think.

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15 Mar 2021
07:05:40pm
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It has the look of a Chinese revenue

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15 Mar 2021
08:41:51pm
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I'm not sure where it is from yet, but it doesn't show up in my Chine Revenues listing - nothing looks like yours.

I'll keep digging!

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15 Mar 2021
09:03:28pm
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Hi to all

Benque, if you look at the candle, it is the right way up, so if it is upside down that would make it interesting.

Musicman & Dave Sheridan, thank you for your help, looking forward to see what it is if it turns up.
I could not find it in Gibbons China, but my copy is 2011

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15 Mar 2021
10:47:33pm
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It's upside down, and the two central characters say Twenty Jin. Still looking.....

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APS #187980
16 Mar 2021
12:36:53am
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I can confirm that it is upside down. (I used to read a little Japanese, and I can tell you that the characters in this illustration are upside down.)

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16 Mar 2021
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16 Mar 2021
12:46:00am
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Dave -- Could it be a newspaper stamp? The far right two characters on top, reading right to left, look like 'newspaper' to me. That's what it is in Japanese, and fairly often it's the same thing in Chinese. And I think this is the timeframe where characters ran from right to left.

I don't have any references for Chinese revenue stamps, I'm afraid, so I'm way out of my field.

You are correct about the 5. And the other character is not a denomination I'm familiar with, so it does seem like it could well be Chinese.

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16 Mar 2021
12:47:42am
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I think what looked like a candle upside down is actually a phoenix, and that would be an even stronger suggestion that it's China.

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APS #187980
16 Mar 2021
12:59:51am
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This discussion prompted me to pull down a Japanese revenue catalog, and it's there.

It's an Imperial Railway Transport stamp, for newspapers and magazines, circa 1907. It looks like the catalog value used is ¥2000. My source is Shimomura 2003.

It's late here, so I'll try to see if I can find out a little bit more tomorrow from another reference.

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16 Mar 2021
01:07:03am
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I'll just add before logging off, the denomination is listed as that character which Dave identifies as "jin". I dig a little digging, and I can't find a reference to it in Japanese currency. I'm familiar with the characters for yen, sen, and rin. A rin is 1/1000th of a yen, and I thought that was a small a denomination as existed, at least in modern times. So I don't have an explanation for that unit of measurement for the time being.

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16 Mar 2021
01:22:25am
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Give me a little more time and I'll answer my own questions!

That denomination I could not recognize is, in Japanese, read as "kin" (pronounced like "keen") and is a unit of weight (which I would never have known). It's the equivalent of 600 grams, so about 1.3 pounds. 5 kin would be 3 kilos, or about 6.3 pounds.

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16 Mar 2021
05:39:51pm
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Dave.

Thanks for the great research.

Paged through Barefoot and didn’t see it. And am still working to become more skilled with Shimomura.

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16 Mar 2021
11:27:13pm
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Hi to all

I have rotated the image, so hopefully it will help

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16 Mar 2021
11:40:56pm
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Horamakhet: Your question got answered a few posts up.

Jim: Thanks very much! If you have the 2003 Shimomura, the stamp is listed on pp 141-142. If it's a different edition, it should be in the section in the table of contents:

Post and Transportation >> Railway Transport

Then, in that section, subsection D: "Imperial Railway Agency", which starts with this stamp, which is catalogued as #15.

I'm glad to know you have a Barefoot for the region. (I think Nigel does, too.) I have 2 Korean revenues that I'd like to know more about. Fingers crossed, I should be able to post about it tomorrow, so please be on the lookout for it, if you have a chance. Thanks!

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17 Mar 2021
07:09:04pm
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Hi to all

Thank you all for your help in identifying this item

Much appreciated

Horamakhet

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17 Mar 2021
09:06:29pm
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Glad we were able to figure it out!

I learned something new, and that's always good.

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