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Hi Tom,
This appears to be from a 1992 Russian set of surcharges for use in St Petersburg.
If so, SG lists it as SG SP6356.
However, the original value of 1k should be overprinted with two swung dashes, one above the other.
I think I see the dashes at the bottom of the value on your stamp but someone seems to have scribbled over the value as well.
The original stamp was a regular definitive stamp SG 6072 from 1989.
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hi Nigel
thanks for your input however Gibbons still does not show this overprint, possibly it might show up in the specialised catalogue which I don't have. Tajikistan has the same stamp, with different wording, released in 1993
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Yes, it's listed in my 2008 SG Part 10 Russia catalogue.
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so it is Russia 1993 and not one of the newer USSR breakaway countries? thanks for your help Nigel
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Yes, these have a full listing in the SG Part 10 catalogue under Russia.
There were a few similar overprints and surcharges from the newly independent republics (such as Tajikistan as you mentioned) but these were dwarfed in number by a flood of bogus overprints purporting to come from dozens of regions and cities across the Russian Federation and the former USSR.
Here are a few examples of stamps that I assume are bogus.
I'll start with some use the same basic 1k design but I have lots printed on other USSR stamps and some have weird overprints with fruit, animals, windmills etc.
From left to right:
1-2. The city of Petrozavodsk (Petroskoi in Finnish), capital of Karelia
3. Crimea (one of many different overprint designs)
4. Tuva (as in the former stamp-issuing state)
5-6. The city of Barnaul, capital of the Altai district in Southern Siberia.
7. I believe this is one for Nagorno-Karabakh, but using a form of the Armenian name Artsakh
8-9. The city and of district of Krasnoyarsk, also in Southern Siberia
10-11. A dinosaur on a pair of 1992 Russia stamps from the Republic of Mari (now Mari El), near Kazan.
12-13. The city and region of Chelyabinsk near the Kazakh border.
14-21. I'll end with a bright green overprint with the bear arms of the former Carpatho-Ukraine, independent for just one day back in 1939.
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thanks to everybody that contributed to this thread but it nows begs the question, Why? what was going on with the stamp issuers in the USSR at this time to cause individual cities/regions to release these stamps, was is connected to the decline of communism?
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Dissolution of the USSR: Dec 26,1991
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" ... what was going on with the stamp issuers in the USSR .... "
Money, money, money, any kind of money except probably Rubles.
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...You know, I saw a lot of this overprints in my life, and NEVER keep them in my stock/store/collection - NEVER .... it is just BOGUS overprint, not valid for postage, privat made, for some kind of "fast & profit" intention. You will not see them in any catalog, not Michel or Scott - too much on the market.
A lot of material was in hands of collectors and dealers at the time of dissolution of Soviet Union (same situation in Yugoslavia), complete printing sheets available from Post Offices, by very low prices (as local currency fall), so "clever" individual purchased it by quantity, made overprints of all kind, and sold around ..... no one know what future will bring, so, they (dealers/individuals) make "ready to use" local overprint, hoping that same Republic/s or territory will go independent, or will have shortage of stamps in offices.
Today, we have it for Kosovo too, or in this "problematic" countries in former Republics of Soviet Union, no one with independent Postal Authority (or independence as country), so - if You collect bogus issue, than You have right material!
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I know this stamp is part of a 1988 miniature sheet from the USSR but I cannot find it listed with this overprint. the stamp was issued in other ex-USSR countries with similar overprints but I can't find any with this wording. thank you anybody for their help.
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re: USSR identity please
Hi Tom,
This appears to be from a 1992 Russian set of surcharges for use in St Petersburg.
If so, SG lists it as SG SP6356.
However, the original value of 1k should be overprinted with two swung dashes, one above the other.
I think I see the dashes at the bottom of the value on your stamp but someone seems to have scribbled over the value as well.
The original stamp was a regular definitive stamp SG 6072 from 1989.
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hi Nigel
thanks for your input however Gibbons still does not show this overprint, possibly it might show up in the specialised catalogue which I don't have. Tajikistan has the same stamp, with different wording, released in 1993
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Yes, it's listed in my 2008 SG Part 10 Russia catalogue.
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so it is Russia 1993 and not one of the newer USSR breakaway countries? thanks for your help Nigel
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re: USSR identity please
Yes, these have a full listing in the SG Part 10 catalogue under Russia.
There were a few similar overprints and surcharges from the newly independent republics (such as Tajikistan as you mentioned) but these were dwarfed in number by a flood of bogus overprints purporting to come from dozens of regions and cities across the Russian Federation and the former USSR.
Here are a few examples of stamps that I assume are bogus.
I'll start with some use the same basic 1k design but I have lots printed on other USSR stamps and some have weird overprints with fruit, animals, windmills etc.
From left to right:
1-2. The city of Petrozavodsk (Petroskoi in Finnish), capital of Karelia
3. Crimea (one of many different overprint designs)
4. Tuva (as in the former stamp-issuing state)
5-6. The city of Barnaul, capital of the Altai district in Southern Siberia.
7. I believe this is one for Nagorno-Karabakh, but using a form of the Armenian name Artsakh
8-9. The city and of district of Krasnoyarsk, also in Southern Siberia
10-11. A dinosaur on a pair of 1992 Russia stamps from the Republic of Mari (now Mari El), near Kazan.
12-13. The city and region of Chelyabinsk near the Kazakh border.
14-21. I'll end with a bright green overprint with the bear arms of the former Carpatho-Ukraine, independent for just one day back in 1939.
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re: USSR identity please
thanks to everybody that contributed to this thread but it nows begs the question, Why? what was going on with the stamp issuers in the USSR at this time to cause individual cities/regions to release these stamps, was is connected to the decline of communism?
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Dissolution of the USSR: Dec 26,1991
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re: USSR identity please
" ... what was going on with the stamp issuers in the USSR .... "
Money, money, money, any kind of money except probably Rubles.
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...You know, I saw a lot of this overprints in my life, and NEVER keep them in my stock/store/collection - NEVER .... it is just BOGUS overprint, not valid for postage, privat made, for some kind of "fast & profit" intention. You will not see them in any catalog, not Michel or Scott - too much on the market.
A lot of material was in hands of collectors and dealers at the time of dissolution of Soviet Union (same situation in Yugoslavia), complete printing sheets available from Post Offices, by very low prices (as local currency fall), so "clever" individual purchased it by quantity, made overprints of all kind, and sold around ..... no one know what future will bring, so, they (dealers/individuals) make "ready to use" local overprint, hoping that same Republic/s or territory will go independent, or will have shortage of stamps in offices.
Today, we have it for Kosovo too, or in this "problematic" countries in former Republics of Soviet Union, no one with independent Postal Authority (or independence as country), so - if You collect bogus issue, than You have right material!
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