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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Are these Estonia? And when?

 

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BlueSpruce

08 Dec 2020
02:07:06pm
I’ve been searching online catalogues and I think these are Estonian, but I’m not sure. I think the one with the overprint might be from when the Russians became involved in Estonia in 1920? Not sure. I read up on Estonian history on Wikipedia. It is complicated. If anyone could tell me anything about these stamps or suggest where I might find more information, they would be a great help!

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08 Dec 2020
02:18:01pm
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Imperial Russia, except the overprint with the star, which is early USSR (c. 1922)

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08 Dec 2020
08:39:03pm
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Some of these stamps are in my Finland collection.

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BlueSpruce

09 Dec 2020
09:52:38am
re: Are these Estonia? And when?

Thanks everyone ! At least I know what catalogue to look in now!

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09 Dec 2020
10:26:28am
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dollhaus, I respectfully disagree.

My Scott catalog shows an image of stamps with this style under both Finland and Russia, but the Finland issues have a different inscription under the central lozenge thing (3 Cyrillic characters, a number, and "Pen."; presumably a description of the denomination?) Finnish denominations for this design are 2p (Scott #64), 5p (#65), and 20p (#67) in the 1901 release on chalky paper, and then in a regular paper release, the same denominations again: 2p (#70), 5p (#71), and 20p (#73).

Finland #46 is a 1k denomination with orange-yellow ink with a very similar design (and the words under the central design match), but there are little dot-in-circle designs around the central lozenge.

In the Russia section, there's #46 which looks the same as the picture to me; it's the example stamp for this design in my 2010 Scott catalog, and the catalog image is in color.

Russia #49 is 5k and the ink is described in the catalog as red-violet. The 5p Finland stamps above are all green.

Russia #50 is a 7k denomination, and is dark blue. There is a Finnish stamp (#50) which is 7k, but again, it has the little dot-in-circle designs around the central part of the stamp.

The overprint looks like Russia Scott 220.

The next three look like Russia 76, Russia 41 or 57C (paper differences & perfs), and Russia 64 or 83 (paper and perf differences).


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09 Dec 2020
10:30:57am
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Here's an image of Finland #46 from HipStamp that shows the dot-in-circle design elements around the central lozenge.

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09 Dec 2020
11:08:23am
re: Are these Estonia? And when?

And thanks to StampCollector and dollhaus for pointing out that there are Finnish stamps that look like these Russian stamps! I looked through the stamps that I had initially categorized as Imperial Russia and found 2 that are definitely Finnish.

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09 Dec 2020
11:15:37am
re: Are these Estonia? And when?

Here is the difference between the Finland stamps and the Russian stamps:

Russia on the left, Finland on the right. Note the "dot in circle" device on the Finnish stamps.

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BlueSpruce

12 Dec 2020
07:30:32am
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Thanks everyone! Love the collective knowledge here! Happy

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12 Dec 2020
10:09:19am
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Thanks to Roy for this!

I copied his response - with the images - and printed 2 copies and inserted them

in my catalogs at the beginning of each respective country's section!


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12 Dec 2020
12:28:43pm
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From an early Stamp Finder catalog.
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BlueSpruce

08 Dec 2020
02:07:06pm

I’ve been searching online catalogues and I think these are Estonian, but I’m not sure. I think the one with the overprint might be from when the Russians became involved in Estonia in 1920? Not sure. I read up on Estonian history on Wikipedia. It is complicated. If anyone could tell me anything about these stamps or suggest where I might find more information, they would be a great help!

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08 Dec 2020
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re: Are these Estonia? And when?

Imperial Russia, except the overprint with the star, which is early USSR (c. 1922)

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08 Dec 2020
08:39:03pm

re: Are these Estonia? And when?

Some of these stamps are in my Finland collection.

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BlueSpruce

09 Dec 2020
09:52:38am

re: Are these Estonia? And when?

Thanks everyone ! At least I know what catalogue to look in now!

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09 Dec 2020
10:26:28am

re: Are these Estonia? And when?

dollhaus, I respectfully disagree.

My Scott catalog shows an image of stamps with this style under both Finland and Russia, but the Finland issues have a different inscription under the central lozenge thing (3 Cyrillic characters, a number, and "Pen."; presumably a description of the denomination?) Finnish denominations for this design are 2p (Scott #64), 5p (#65), and 20p (#67) in the 1901 release on chalky paper, and then in a regular paper release, the same denominations again: 2p (#70), 5p (#71), and 20p (#73).

Finland #46 is a 1k denomination with orange-yellow ink with a very similar design (and the words under the central design match), but there are little dot-in-circle designs around the central lozenge.

In the Russia section, there's #46 which looks the same as the picture to me; it's the example stamp for this design in my 2010 Scott catalog, and the catalog image is in color.

Russia #49 is 5k and the ink is described in the catalog as red-violet. The 5p Finland stamps above are all green.

Russia #50 is a 7k denomination, and is dark blue. There is a Finnish stamp (#50) which is 7k, but again, it has the little dot-in-circle designs around the central part of the stamp.

The overprint looks like Russia Scott 220.

The next three look like Russia 76, Russia 41 or 57C (paper differences & perfs), and Russia 64 or 83 (paper and perf differences).


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09 Dec 2020
10:30:57am

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Here's an image of Finland #46 from HipStamp that shows the dot-in-circle design elements around the central lozenge.

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09 Dec 2020
11:08:23am

re: Are these Estonia? And when?

And thanks to StampCollector and dollhaus for pointing out that there are Finnish stamps that look like these Russian stamps! I looked through the stamps that I had initially categorized as Imperial Russia and found 2 that are definitely Finnish.

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09 Dec 2020
11:15:37am

re: Are these Estonia? And when?

Here is the difference between the Finland stamps and the Russian stamps:

Russia on the left, Finland on the right. Note the "dot in circle" device on the Finnish stamps.

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BlueSpruce

12 Dec 2020
07:30:32am

re: Are these Estonia? And when?

Thanks everyone! Love the collective knowledge here! Happy

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APS #213005
12 Dec 2020
10:09:19am

re: Are these Estonia? And when?

Thanks to Roy for this!

I copied his response - with the images - and printed 2 copies and inserted them

in my catalogs at the beginning of each respective country's section!


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postalpicker

12 Dec 2020
12:28:43pm

re: Are these Estonia? And when?

From an early Stamp Finder catalog.
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