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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Hungary overprint stamp

 

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31 Oct 2020
05:45:07pm
Hi, I have this Hungarian overprint. 1945. Can't find it in Scott or Michel. I am thinking it could be an error in the overprint of the stamp or a local issue? Any help will be most welcome.Image Not Found

the base stamp is Scott 605.

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31 Oct 2020
06:04:20pm
re: Hungary overprint stamp

https://www.stampcircuit.com/stamp-Auction/darabanth-co-ltd/6325867/lot-27-hungary-single-hungarian-issues-very-low-starting

Found this on line by googling "stamp Pengo Hungary".

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31 Oct 2020
06:59:43pm
re: Hungary overprint stamp

Thanks Harvey, I found that link too. That is why I thought it may be a regional issue, but I have no info on that. I wasn't clear, I also wanted a stamp number from some catalog if it is listed somewhere. Trying to figure out exactly where it should go in my collection.

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31 Oct 2020
07:44:29pm
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31 Oct 2020
08:06:38pm
re: Hungary overprint stamp

Stockflyer - I'm going through exactly what you are, but I've got a bunch of Polish local stamps. I ordered a book on Polish Locals, maybe there's a similar book out there on Hungarian Locals. It's definitely worth checking out - Google is amazing!!!

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31 Oct 2020
08:09:04pm
re: Hungary overprint stamp

ps: notice small press run (appox. 4000) so could be a forgery.

Mike in NC / meostamps

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01 Nov 2020
09:11:28am
re: Hungary overprint stamp

I just think its funny that the mystery stamp posted on Halloween turned out to be from Transylvania.......

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02 Nov 2020
04:21:03am
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" .... turned out to be from Transylvania....... ,,,"

and home, more or less of Vlad the Impaler, the model
for the Dracula stories. Something to scare the bejesus
out of the kids late on All Hallows Eve. I believe that
Vlad is reported to have impaled some 20,000 Ottoman
troops who surrendered after a battle. And fitting name
sake for the modern day "Vlad the Poisoner."

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02 Nov 2020
11:59:10am
re: Hungary overprint stamp

Mike you solved the mystery. I was on right track about a local but totally missed Romania. And Transylvania no less. I think there may have been more, and it's likely a cinderella.

from mystampworld.com which has a nice writeup here is a clip.

1. The Military Occupation of the Northern Transylvania

Vienna’s Award of 30 August 1940 (mediated by Germany and Italy) forced Romania to cede Northern Transylvania to Hungary. The Romanian civilian and military authorities had, in the western zones, only four days to withdraw (between 1 – 4 September).
_____________

This Vienna's award is a new area of history for me to learn about. Hungarian occupation lasted until 1944, probably until Russia overran them in 1944. These stamps were probably printed late in 1944 for 1945 use? Hungary was with the Axis and when Hitler invaded Russia, demanded Hungary declare war against Russia too.

These were crazy times. So from a little stamp there is so much history to be learned. I thank all who were involved in this journey.

By the way, I found that I had another one in another envelope of Hungary stamps I have.

Have a great day,

John

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02 Nov 2020
03:51:21pm
re: Hungary overprint stamp

https://colnect.com/en/stamps/currencies/country/991-Romania_-_Issues_for_Transylvania_Erdely

Hi John

If you use the above link, it shows over 500 stamps that were used in Transylvania during the 1944-45 era.

Mike / meostamps

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31 Oct 2020
05:45:07pm

Hi, I have this Hungarian overprint. 1945. Can't find it in Scott or Michel. I am thinking it could be an error in the overprint of the stamp or a local issue? Any help will be most welcome.Image Not Found

the base stamp is Scott 605.

Thanks

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31 Oct 2020
06:04:20pm

re: Hungary overprint stamp

https://www.stampcircuit.com/stamp-Auction/darabanth-co-ltd/6325867/lot-27-hungary-single-hungarian-issues-very-low-starting

Found this on line by googling "stamp Pengo Hungary".

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31 Oct 2020
06:59:43pm

re: Hungary overprint stamp

Thanks Harvey, I found that link too. That is why I thought it may be a regional issue, but I have no info on that. I wasn't clear, I also wanted a stamp number from some catalog if it is listed somewhere. Trying to figure out exactly where it should go in my collection.

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31 Oct 2020
07:44:29pm

re: Hungary overprint stamp

https://colnect.com/en/stamps/stamp/981444-P%C3%A1l_Kinizsi_Overprinted_1945_1_peng%C5%91-Transylvania_Erd%C3%A9ly_-_Nagyv%C3%A1rad_I_1945-Romania_-_Issues_for_Transylvania_Erdely


Think this from Colnect might help

Mike in NC / meostamps

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31 Oct 2020
08:06:38pm

re: Hungary overprint stamp

Stockflyer - I'm going through exactly what you are, but I've got a bunch of Polish local stamps. I ordered a book on Polish Locals, maybe there's a similar book out there on Hungarian Locals. It's definitely worth checking out - Google is amazing!!!

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31 Oct 2020
08:09:04pm

re: Hungary overprint stamp

ps: notice small press run (appox. 4000) so could be a forgery.

Mike in NC / meostamps

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01 Nov 2020
09:11:28am

re: Hungary overprint stamp

I just think its funny that the mystery stamp posted on Halloween turned out to be from Transylvania.......

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02 Nov 2020
04:21:03am

re: Hungary overprint stamp

" .... turned out to be from Transylvania....... ,,,"

and home, more or less of Vlad the Impaler, the model
for the Dracula stories. Something to scare the bejesus
out of the kids late on All Hallows Eve. I believe that
Vlad is reported to have impaled some 20,000 Ottoman
troops who surrendered after a battle. And fitting name
sake for the modern day "Vlad the Poisoner."

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02 Nov 2020
11:59:10am

re: Hungary overprint stamp

Mike you solved the mystery. I was on right track about a local but totally missed Romania. And Transylvania no less. I think there may have been more, and it's likely a cinderella.

from mystampworld.com which has a nice writeup here is a clip.

1. The Military Occupation of the Northern Transylvania

Vienna’s Award of 30 August 1940 (mediated by Germany and Italy) forced Romania to cede Northern Transylvania to Hungary. The Romanian civilian and military authorities had, in the western zones, only four days to withdraw (between 1 – 4 September).
_____________

This Vienna's award is a new area of history for me to learn about. Hungarian occupation lasted until 1944, probably until Russia overran them in 1944. These stamps were probably printed late in 1944 for 1945 use? Hungary was with the Axis and when Hitler invaded Russia, demanded Hungary declare war against Russia too.

These were crazy times. So from a little stamp there is so much history to be learned. I thank all who were involved in this journey.

By the way, I found that I had another one in another envelope of Hungary stamps I have.

Have a great day,

John

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02 Nov 2020
03:51:21pm

re: Hungary overprint stamp

https://colnect.com/en/stamps/currencies/country/991-Romania_-_Issues_for_Transylvania_Erdely

Hi John

If you use the above link, it shows over 500 stamps that were used in Transylvania during the 1944-45 era.

Mike / meostamps

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