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21 Oct 2020
05:54:28am
I have seen some posts of the family Hennig and there covers.
This is what I found on the internet and my own experience.


The Hennig family traded stamps since the 1st world war. As far as can be ascertained, they first had their trade in the city of Weimar. (see image in post 2 from 20-12-1917 Bukarest)
During this time Karl, also inspected stamps (see image inspection stamp).

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They later moved to Hamburg, at what time is unknown.
In the 1950s they moved to the Dominican Republic and started trading there as Casa Filatelica Antillana.
Many covers are in bad condition: paper discolored, rust stains in paper and stamps.
This is all attributed to the fact that almost all material was stored in South America where it is moist and warm.
It is also written in philatelic literature that the family also brought many genuine Third Reich cancelers to South America.

Karl Hennig was a very active stamp dealer during the time of the Third Reich and immediately afterwards, especially during the time of the various Allied Occupation Zones in Germany.
His father Max Hennig was an active stamp dealer mainly in the period 1914 - 1932
He (Karl) produced a massive number of letters that unfortunately were mostly over- franked by putting entire series on the envelopes.
This is one of the reasons that novice collectors like these covers and include them in their collection. The covers look attractive, contain stamps from their time period, the cancellations placed are from real Third Reich cancelers.
These Third Reich cancelers are all mentioned in the series "Postmark Guild Rhein-Donau" by Dr. Hermann Schultz called "Die Deutsche Dienstpost 1939-1945".

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However, sometimes certain features of these covers are not correct. (See special selection below)
And that's why more experienced collectors usually avoid them in their collection.

And yet there are certainly very interesting pieces produced by Karl Hennig that are very sought after. (also by me !!)
The Germans generally speaking of "MACHE" as they say it so beautifully.
This means that these covers are manufactured for the benefit of collectors and are therefore not actually did go through the post.

1) According to experts, the so-called Hindenburg and Hitler stamps were NOT used on the channel islands

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2) The Feldpost cancelers were not used on envelopes of the Deutsche Dienstpost. (These were only used at the Deutsche Feldpost and in this category the letters were up to 20 grams POSTAGE FREE. So-called labels such as those of legion FLANDERS were allowed on feldpost letters but had no stamp validity)

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3) Extra additions on the covers such as:
MIT SNELLBOOT BEFÖRDERT or MIT LUFTPOST / PAR AVION
did not occur officially on the channel islands.

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21 Oct 2020
06:08:46am
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An example of the earlier years and posted to Max Hennig

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Other early ones from Karl Hennig

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21 Oct 2020
06:15:49am
re: You like it or you do not like it.......Hennig covers

Later I will post some of these covers from the period of the Third Reich

I saw this at an auction site :

"Heft DIN A5 Karl Hennig Briefmarkenhaus"

But what it is? I do not know.

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21 Oct 2020
07:19:54am
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https://picclick.de/Voller-Hefter-Wissenswertes-%C3%BCber-Briefmarken-Abo-der-Deutschen-274512901391.html

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21 Oct 2020
09:00:39am
re: You like it or you do not like it.......Hennig covers

I know Charlie2009 but what is there inside that book?
That's what I want to know....

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21 Oct 2020
09:09:27am
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Going on with some examples :

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Because of the Feldpost cancellations NO GOOD even if it is not Karl Hennig

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Look at the blue stripes on the cover. They should be there but in a diagonal cross!!!

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Same here the blue stripes have to be in a diagonal cross!!!

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Same here the blue stripes have to be in a diagonal cross!!!

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21 Oct 2020
09:20:53am
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Here the blue cross is right but I have doubts on the Italian stamp.
Was it permitted?

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Here you can see that Karl Hennig was in the army as a chauffeur on a military truck?
I have my questions about that!!!

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No address here?
Cancellation on the german stamp with a Feldpost cancelation????

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Also here the blue cross is wrong!! Had to be diagonal

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The blue cross is right!
Even the "Deutsche Dienstpostamt Meran" is right !!!


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21 Oct 2020
09:34:28am
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The blue cross is right !!
But the date of cancellation : 15-04-1945
I have my doubts here........

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Very very rare Cancelation "St. Ulrich in Gröden" from Alpen vorland
But as you already noticed : The Blue cross is not diagonal

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Do you know what is wrong with this cover?
Yep : the blue cross has to be diagonal

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Another one from the Channel Islands
Wrong cancelation (Feldpost)
Wrong "MIT SCHNELLBOOT BEFÖRDERT" (see the first post at 3)



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21 Oct 2020
09:35:44am
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21 Oct 2020
09:37:59am
re: You like it or you do not like it.......Hennig covers

Thanks Charlie2009

I will save those copies!

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21 Oct 2020
12:23:49pm
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Well you got it by now : Blue cross is not diagonal

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The channel Islands (Feldpost cancelations!)

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Very bad luxemburg cancelation

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Wrong blue cross!!

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No Address and Feldpost cancelation

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21 Oct 2020
12:32:42pm
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Blue cross is right
But do not like the italian stamp

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Cover from the Deutsche Dienstpost Niederlande
Blue Cross is wrong


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22 Oct 2020
04:53:26am
re: You like it or you do not like it.......Hennig covers

And the story goes on during the allied occupation of Germany, both East and West.
In this era I can not tell you what is wrong with the covers.
Did not find any magazines or books of this stuff.

Some examples :

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Luftbrucke Berlin 01-10-1948

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23-06-1949

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06-02-1946 Spremberg

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07-10-1945 Hamburg

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09-10-1945 Hamburg

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22 Oct 2020
05:24:31am
re: You like it or you do not like it.......Hennig covers

Now thwe covers get really ugly.
Look at the paper and the gom with which the stamps are glueded on......

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30-06-1945 Weimar DDR

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19-12-1945 Dresden DDR

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18-03-1946 Weimar DDR

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05-08-194x Runderoth DDR (last number of year not to read)

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04-05-1946 Dresden DDR


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22 Oct 2020
05:29:42am
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25-03-1946 Strausberg DDR
Strange is that also stamps from PLAUEN are on this cover ????

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26-03-1946 Weimar DDR

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21-03-1946 Leipzig DDR

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19-03-1946 Leipzig DDR

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22 Oct 2020
06:06:00am
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2 very odd covers, but what the hack they are Karl Hennig covers right?

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Cover with stamps from the DDR and stamps from West-germany ?????????????
30-03-1946 Halle DDR (first row)
15-04-1946 Hamburg West Germany (second row)
So DDR stamps canceled with a DDR canceler and West-germany stamps canceled with a West-germany canceler.
Really ?


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Cover with stamps from the DDR and stamps from West-germany ?????????????
30-03-1946 Halle DDR (first Row)
30-03-1946 Halle DDR (second row)
Deutsche Post stamps from west-germany canceled with a canceler from the DDR (Halle)
Really ?

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23 Oct 2020
01:35:45pm
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Well in POST 8 I said :
The blue cross is right !!
But the date of cancellation : 15-04-1945
I have my doubts here........

Well I have checked Booklet number 9 (december 1953) of the Rhein-Donau Poststempelgilde.
And I have translated into English :

Deutsche Dienstpost Adria (German service post Adria)
Service post offices and post offices were not established in the Adria district. The individual DPÄs were given final stamps in German form with the inscription "Deutsche Dienstpost Adria" when they were set up. The DPÄ was dissolved on April 30, 1945 at the same time as the surrender on the southern front. Unless captured or murdered by partisans in the increasingly threatened area, the staff moved to Klagenfurt after the proper handover of devices, stamps, etc. to the Italian PAs.



Deutsche Dienstpost Alpenvorland (German service post Alpenvorland)
The DDP Alpenvorland also worked until April 30, 1945, the day of the surrender on the southern front. The individual DPÄs duly handed over their offices and facilities to the Italian local police and moved with most of the staff to Innsbruck.


So the cancelation could be right!!


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23 Oct 2020
01:41:02pm
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And I have translated another part of that same booklet about the regulations of the Deutsche Dienstpost.
Here it is :

Regulations for the use of the Deutsche Dienstpost
(Fee and tariff regulations for service mail and general mail as well as mail traffic for Eastern workers)

In postal traffic between the Reich and the individual service post areas and vice versa, the term "Dienstpostsendung" (Service mail) must be strictly distinguished from the term "Sendung des allgemeinen Postdienstes".

Dienstpostsendungen (service mail)
Concept of service mail: Service mail is mail from the German authorities, party offices and the associations of the NSDAP as well as the SS, police, NSFK, NSKK, Reichsarbeitsdienst, OT, NSV, the German Red Cross, the technical emergency aid and their relatives (authorities), which are classified as service mail had to be specially marked by a blue cross lying diagonally on the letter or card, furthermore by an addition, handwritten, by printing or rubber stamp, "Durch Deutsche Dienstpost", outlined in red, possibly with addition of the service post area. This group of participants was later expanded in the course of the war to include German companies in the service post areas that were approved on the basis of special applications for approval (business mail) and the Reich German followers of these companies (follower mail).
While shipments of the purely official traffic were free of charge according to the domestic German regulations, business and follower mail was subject to the compulsory franking according to domestic German fee rates. A customs inspection for consignments of the official mail traffic was not planned. Letters were checked by the OKW's letter checking stations on a random basis, but mostly only for business and follower mail. Field post items that were identified as such by the stamp of the official seal or postmark of the sending unit or the unit to which the sender belonged were permitted to benefit from the reduced rates of the field post.

All official mail, including that of approved companies and their followers, was basically collection mail. Service mail was not delivered because enough German personnel could not be provided. All official mail had to be posted and picked up at the responsible DienstPostAmt, the same applies to approved business and follower mail.

Also in the direction from the Reich to the service post area, all items had to be marked with the note "Durch Deutsche Dienstpost" and were routed to certain routing locations of the Deutsche Dienstpost from the home post offices 1942 had to be added as part of the address in the service mail of the entire eastern area. It was not until 1943 that the reference location was dropped in the east; but we still often find it handwritten by the dispatching postmen in the home area.


So now it should be clear about those BLUE CROSSES


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26 Oct 2020
11:20:16am
re: You like it or you do not like it.......Hennig covers

Hi HockeyNut
It is a real pleasure to read these German translations.
I don't collect covers yet because I'm a beginner and I don't want to spend money on fakes.
Very educational posts with covers and their analysis and the rules for marking official correspondence.
When I learn something new I try to make everything very clear and that's why I will ask you some questions (naive or even stupid maybe).
1.The three markings:
-diagonal blue cross
-Durch Deutsche DienstPost in red
-One round line cancell DIENSTPOSTAMT
are applied by DienstPostAmt staff upon receipt of the mail and verification that it meets the conditions of official correspondence (I mean private companies, not the authorities of the German state)?
2. Is there evidence with the companies accepted for official correspondence? Did Karl Hennig's company have this facility? According to the Pola cover (which has all 3 markings) it looks like YES.
3. Is it possible that the employees did not follow the rule of applying the blue cross diagonally? Are there certified envelopes that do not follow this rule?
4. The Meran envelope (15.5.1944) also has the Deutsches Dienstpostamt-Meran stamp applied. The Meran envelope (27.3.1944) does not have this stamp applied (and does not comply with the diagonal blue cross requirement) and the Durch Deutsche DienstPost AlpenVorland not as in the previous case, on 2 lines.
5.Is it possible that the existence of the Deutsche Dienstpostamt stamp is the only certainty that it is official correspondence? and her failure to point out a fake? as it results from your translation: ”..all official mail had to be posted and picked up at the responsible DienstPostAmt”
Thank you
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30 Oct 2020
11:33:26am
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Hello Gerom,

About your questions :

1) There are probably more "markings". I do not know them all. It is a question of reading a lot of info and of course experience.
2) I do not know if there is evidence and do not know ifKarl Hennig had something like that. Hence, there is not much information about Karl Hennig and this family.
3) Well rules can be bend and can be broken, but knowing a lot of Germans.... I do not think so. And I do not know ANY certified enveloppe of the "Durch Deutsche Dienstpost" era.
4) Gerom there are so many different cancelers from that time. There are a lot of books and opinions about that. (See the pictures)
5) Probably. I know that in the Netherlands cancelers were made by several resistance groups.

The following examples are ONLY from Deutsche Dienstpost Adria and Alpenvorland in the periode of 1943 till 1945 :

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ALL THE KNOWN POSTOFFICES WITH THEIR OWN CANCELERS


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30 Oct 2020
11:42:37am
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ALMOST EVERY KNOWN CANCELERS OF THE "DEUTSCHE DIENSTPOST ALPENVORLAND"

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EVERY KNOWN CANCELERS OF 7 PLACES OF THE "DEUTSCHE DIENSTPOST ADRIA"

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ALL KNOWN "NEBENSTEMPEL" OF ADRIA AND ALPENVORLAND

So you see lots and lots of cancelers from 2 different regio's


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08 Dec 2020
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RE: SOME OF THE HENNIG COVERS SHOWN

Karl Hennig was a PG or Parteigenosse, meaning Party Member, meaning at some point he joined the Nazi Party hence the PG. I do not think Karl Hennig was a military driver. He belonged as a Nazi Party member, to I believe the NSKK.

There is a cover that is not addressed to Karl Hennig but contrary to your opinion, it is likely a Hennig cover. Similar handwriting exists addressed to Karl Hennig. He either addressed it or someone in his employ was given the task of hand addressing certain covers to Karl and others.

There is no mention of the "hot water" PG Hennig landed in for using the Nazi Party stamps to dress up his covers during the Anschluss. I believe he was taken to task by a magazine of that era for using them. As far as I know, he stopped using the Nazi Party stamps that appear on these Anschluss covers. I think Karl was also involved as a proofer in some type of scandal that took place in the 1920s.

Many, many covers including some I obtained from Casa Filatelica in the Dominican Republic in the early 1970s were not stained, etc. At that time the son of Karl, Werner was at the helm. In fact, I have never seen a large number of stained covers from Hennig although I have heard it stated that most were stained. Hennig has an eBay store. I don't know if that would still be Werner or if by that time the seller is a son or grandson or just someone representing the firm.

Controversy, yes.

The reason Werner Hennig told me that they moved to Dominican Republic after the war was because the company had such a large stock of Hitler cards and all those covers that could not be legally sold from Germany at that time. If you have ever read any of the ads for the Dominican Republic firm they seem to be very pro Hitler. As mentioned, Karl was a Nazi Party member.

Something I have tried to find out and sadly failed was how many employees did Hennig have during the Third Reich period. Especially from 1938 onward.

Bruce


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Just re-reading some old posts when I came across this: I wonder if you realised that Henning also produced monthly Magazines that contained a great deal of info about stamps. Here are some pages of one of them from 1925
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21 Oct 2020
05:54:28am

I have seen some posts of the family Hennig and there covers.
This is what I found on the internet and my own experience.


The Hennig family traded stamps since the 1st world war. As far as can be ascertained, they first had their trade in the city of Weimar. (see image in post 2 from 20-12-1917 Bukarest)
During this time Karl, also inspected stamps (see image inspection stamp).

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They later moved to Hamburg, at what time is unknown.
In the 1950s they moved to the Dominican Republic and started trading there as Casa Filatelica Antillana.
Many covers are in bad condition: paper discolored, rust stains in paper and stamps.
This is all attributed to the fact that almost all material was stored in South America where it is moist and warm.
It is also written in philatelic literature that the family also brought many genuine Third Reich cancelers to South America.

Karl Hennig was a very active stamp dealer during the time of the Third Reich and immediately afterwards, especially during the time of the various Allied Occupation Zones in Germany.
His father Max Hennig was an active stamp dealer mainly in the period 1914 - 1932
He (Karl) produced a massive number of letters that unfortunately were mostly over- franked by putting entire series on the envelopes.
This is one of the reasons that novice collectors like these covers and include them in their collection. The covers look attractive, contain stamps from their time period, the cancellations placed are from real Third Reich cancelers.
These Third Reich cancelers are all mentioned in the series "Postmark Guild Rhein-Donau" by Dr. Hermann Schultz called "Die Deutsche Dienstpost 1939-1945".

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However, sometimes certain features of these covers are not correct. (See special selection below)
And that's why more experienced collectors usually avoid them in their collection.

And yet there are certainly very interesting pieces produced by Karl Hennig that are very sought after. (also by me !!)
The Germans generally speaking of "MACHE" as they say it so beautifully.
This means that these covers are manufactured for the benefit of collectors and are therefore not actually did go through the post.

1) According to experts, the so-called Hindenburg and Hitler stamps were NOT used on the channel islands

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2) The Feldpost cancelers were not used on envelopes of the Deutsche Dienstpost. (These were only used at the Deutsche Feldpost and in this category the letters were up to 20 grams POSTAGE FREE. So-called labels such as those of legion FLANDERS were allowed on feldpost letters but had no stamp validity)

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3) Extra additions on the covers such as:
MIT SNELLBOOT BEFÖRDERT or MIT LUFTPOST / PAR AVION
did not occur officially on the channel islands.

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21 Oct 2020
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An example of the earlier years and posted to Max Hennig

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Other early ones from Karl Hennig

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21 Oct 2020
06:15:49am

re: You like it or you do not like it.......Hennig covers

Later I will post some of these covers from the period of the Third Reich

I saw this at an auction site :

"Heft DIN A5 Karl Hennig Briefmarkenhaus"

But what it is? I do not know.

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https://picclick.de/Voller-Hefter-Wissenswertes-%C3%BCber-Briefmarken-Abo-der-Deutschen-274512901391.html

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21 Oct 2020
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I know Charlie2009 but what is there inside that book?
That's what I want to know....

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21 Oct 2020
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Going on with some examples :

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Because of the Feldpost cancellations NO GOOD even if it is not Karl Hennig

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Look at the blue stripes on the cover. They should be there but in a diagonal cross!!!

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Same here the blue stripes have to be in a diagonal cross!!!

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Same here the blue stripes have to be in a diagonal cross!!!

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21 Oct 2020
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Here the blue cross is right but I have doubts on the Italian stamp.
Was it permitted?

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Here you can see that Karl Hennig was in the army as a chauffeur on a military truck?
I have my questions about that!!!

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No address here?
Cancellation on the german stamp with a Feldpost cancelation????

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Also here the blue cross is wrong!! Had to be diagonal

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The blue cross is right!
Even the "Deutsche Dienstpostamt Meran" is right !!!


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21 Oct 2020
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The blue cross is right !!
But the date of cancellation : 15-04-1945
I have my doubts here........

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Very very rare Cancelation "St. Ulrich in Gröden" from Alpen vorland
But as you already noticed : The Blue cross is not diagonal

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Do you know what is wrong with this cover?
Yep : the blue cross has to be diagonal

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Another one from the Channel Islands
Wrong cancelation (Feldpost)
Wrong "MIT SCHNELLBOOT BEFÖRDERT" (see the first post at 3)



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21 Oct 2020
09:37:59am

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Thanks Charlie2009

I will save those copies!

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21 Oct 2020
12:23:49pm

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Well you got it by now : Blue cross is not diagonal

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The channel Islands (Feldpost cancelations!)

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Very bad luxemburg cancelation

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Wrong blue cross!!

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No Address and Feldpost cancelation

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21 Oct 2020
12:32:42pm

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Blue cross is right
But do not like the italian stamp

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Cover from the Deutsche Dienstpost Niederlande
Blue Cross is wrong


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22 Oct 2020
04:53:26am

re: You like it or you do not like it.......Hennig covers

And the story goes on during the allied occupation of Germany, both East and West.
In this era I can not tell you what is wrong with the covers.
Did not find any magazines or books of this stuff.

Some examples :

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Luftbrucke Berlin 01-10-1948

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23-06-1949

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06-02-1946 Spremberg

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07-10-1945 Hamburg

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09-10-1945 Hamburg

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22 Oct 2020
05:24:31am

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Now thwe covers get really ugly.
Look at the paper and the gom with which the stamps are glueded on......

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30-06-1945 Weimar DDR

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19-12-1945 Dresden DDR

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18-03-1946 Weimar DDR

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05-08-194x Runderoth DDR (last number of year not to read)

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04-05-1946 Dresden DDR


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HockeyNut

22 Oct 2020
05:29:42am

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25-03-1946 Strausberg DDR
Strange is that also stamps from PLAUEN are on this cover ????

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26-03-1946 Weimar DDR

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21-03-1946 Leipzig DDR

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19-03-1946 Leipzig DDR

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22 Oct 2020
06:06:00am

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2 very odd covers, but what the hack they are Karl Hennig covers right?

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Cover with stamps from the DDR and stamps from West-germany ?????????????
30-03-1946 Halle DDR (first row)
15-04-1946 Hamburg West Germany (second row)
So DDR stamps canceled with a DDR canceler and West-germany stamps canceled with a West-germany canceler.
Really ?


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Cover with stamps from the DDR and stamps from West-germany ?????????????
30-03-1946 Halle DDR (first Row)
30-03-1946 Halle DDR (second row)
Deutsche Post stamps from west-germany canceled with a canceler from the DDR (Halle)
Really ?

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23 Oct 2020
01:35:45pm

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Well in POST 8 I said :
The blue cross is right !!
But the date of cancellation : 15-04-1945
I have my doubts here........

Well I have checked Booklet number 9 (december 1953) of the Rhein-Donau Poststempelgilde.
And I have translated into English :

Deutsche Dienstpost Adria (German service post Adria)
Service post offices and post offices were not established in the Adria district. The individual DPÄs were given final stamps in German form with the inscription "Deutsche Dienstpost Adria" when they were set up. The DPÄ was dissolved on April 30, 1945 at the same time as the surrender on the southern front. Unless captured or murdered by partisans in the increasingly threatened area, the staff moved to Klagenfurt after the proper handover of devices, stamps, etc. to the Italian PAs.



Deutsche Dienstpost Alpenvorland (German service post Alpenvorland)
The DDP Alpenvorland also worked until April 30, 1945, the day of the surrender on the southern front. The individual DPÄs duly handed over their offices and facilities to the Italian local police and moved with most of the staff to Innsbruck.


So the cancelation could be right!!


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23 Oct 2020
01:41:02pm

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And I have translated another part of that same booklet about the regulations of the Deutsche Dienstpost.
Here it is :

Regulations for the use of the Deutsche Dienstpost
(Fee and tariff regulations for service mail and general mail as well as mail traffic for Eastern workers)

In postal traffic between the Reich and the individual service post areas and vice versa, the term "Dienstpostsendung" (Service mail) must be strictly distinguished from the term "Sendung des allgemeinen Postdienstes".

Dienstpostsendungen (service mail)
Concept of service mail: Service mail is mail from the German authorities, party offices and the associations of the NSDAP as well as the SS, police, NSFK, NSKK, Reichsarbeitsdienst, OT, NSV, the German Red Cross, the technical emergency aid and their relatives (authorities), which are classified as service mail had to be specially marked by a blue cross lying diagonally on the letter or card, furthermore by an addition, handwritten, by printing or rubber stamp, "Durch Deutsche Dienstpost", outlined in red, possibly with addition of the service post area. This group of participants was later expanded in the course of the war to include German companies in the service post areas that were approved on the basis of special applications for approval (business mail) and the Reich German followers of these companies (follower mail).
While shipments of the purely official traffic were free of charge according to the domestic German regulations, business and follower mail was subject to the compulsory franking according to domestic German fee rates. A customs inspection for consignments of the official mail traffic was not planned. Letters were checked by the OKW's letter checking stations on a random basis, but mostly only for business and follower mail. Field post items that were identified as such by the stamp of the official seal or postmark of the sending unit or the unit to which the sender belonged were permitted to benefit from the reduced rates of the field post.

All official mail, including that of approved companies and their followers, was basically collection mail. Service mail was not delivered because enough German personnel could not be provided. All official mail had to be posted and picked up at the responsible DienstPostAmt, the same applies to approved business and follower mail.

Also in the direction from the Reich to the service post area, all items had to be marked with the note "Durch Deutsche Dienstpost" and were routed to certain routing locations of the Deutsche Dienstpost from the home post offices 1942 had to be added as part of the address in the service mail of the entire eastern area. It was not until 1943 that the reference location was dropped in the east; but we still often find it handwritten by the dispatching postmen in the home area.


So now it should be clear about those BLUE CROSSES


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26 Oct 2020
11:20:16am

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Hi HockeyNut
It is a real pleasure to read these German translations.
I don't collect covers yet because I'm a beginner and I don't want to spend money on fakes.
Very educational posts with covers and their analysis and the rules for marking official correspondence.
When I learn something new I try to make everything very clear and that's why I will ask you some questions (naive or even stupid maybe).
1.The three markings:
-diagonal blue cross
-Durch Deutsche DienstPost in red
-One round line cancell DIENSTPOSTAMT
are applied by DienstPostAmt staff upon receipt of the mail and verification that it meets the conditions of official correspondence (I mean private companies, not the authorities of the German state)?
2. Is there evidence with the companies accepted for official correspondence? Did Karl Hennig's company have this facility? According to the Pola cover (which has all 3 markings) it looks like YES.
3. Is it possible that the employees did not follow the rule of applying the blue cross diagonally? Are there certified envelopes that do not follow this rule?
4. The Meran envelope (15.5.1944) also has the Deutsches Dienstpostamt-Meran stamp applied. The Meran envelope (27.3.1944) does not have this stamp applied (and does not comply with the diagonal blue cross requirement) and the Durch Deutsche DienstPost AlpenVorland not as in the previous case, on 2 lines.
5.Is it possible that the existence of the Deutsche Dienstpostamt stamp is the only certainty that it is official correspondence? and her failure to point out a fake? as it results from your translation: ”..all official mail had to be posted and picked up at the responsible DienstPostAmt”
Thank you
George

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30 Oct 2020
11:33:26am

re: You like it or you do not like it.......Hennig covers

Hello Gerom,

About your questions :

1) There are probably more "markings". I do not know them all. It is a question of reading a lot of info and of course experience.
2) I do not know if there is evidence and do not know ifKarl Hennig had something like that. Hence, there is not much information about Karl Hennig and this family.
3) Well rules can be bend and can be broken, but knowing a lot of Germans.... I do not think so. And I do not know ANY certified enveloppe of the "Durch Deutsche Dienstpost" era.
4) Gerom there are so many different cancelers from that time. There are a lot of books and opinions about that. (See the pictures)
5) Probably. I know that in the Netherlands cancelers were made by several resistance groups.

The following examples are ONLY from Deutsche Dienstpost Adria and Alpenvorland in the periode of 1943 till 1945 :

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ALL THE KNOWN POSTOFFICES WITH THEIR OWN CANCELERS


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30 Oct 2020
11:42:37am

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ALMOST EVERY KNOWN CANCELERS OF THE "DEUTSCHE DIENSTPOST ALPENVORLAND"

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EVERY KNOWN CANCELERS OF 7 PLACES OF THE "DEUTSCHE DIENSTPOST ADRIA"

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ALL KNOWN "NEBENSTEMPEL" OF ADRIA AND ALPENVORLAND

So you see lots and lots of cancelers from 2 different regio's


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08 Dec 2020
07:49:01pm

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RE: SOME OF THE HENNIG COVERS SHOWN

Karl Hennig was a PG or Parteigenosse, meaning Party Member, meaning at some point he joined the Nazi Party hence the PG. I do not think Karl Hennig was a military driver. He belonged as a Nazi Party member, to I believe the NSKK.

There is a cover that is not addressed to Karl Hennig but contrary to your opinion, it is likely a Hennig cover. Similar handwriting exists addressed to Karl Hennig. He either addressed it or someone in his employ was given the task of hand addressing certain covers to Karl and others.

There is no mention of the "hot water" PG Hennig landed in for using the Nazi Party stamps to dress up his covers during the Anschluss. I believe he was taken to task by a magazine of that era for using them. As far as I know, he stopped using the Nazi Party stamps that appear on these Anschluss covers. I think Karl was also involved as a proofer in some type of scandal that took place in the 1920s.

Many, many covers including some I obtained from Casa Filatelica in the Dominican Republic in the early 1970s were not stained, etc. At that time the son of Karl, Werner was at the helm. In fact, I have never seen a large number of stained covers from Hennig although I have heard it stated that most were stained. Hennig has an eBay store. I don't know if that would still be Werner or if by that time the seller is a son or grandson or just someone representing the firm.

Controversy, yes.

The reason Werner Hennig told me that they moved to Dominican Republic after the war was because the company had such a large stock of Hitler cards and all those covers that could not be legally sold from Germany at that time. If you have ever read any of the ads for the Dominican Republic firm they seem to be very pro Hitler. As mentioned, Karl was a Nazi Party member.

Something I have tried to find out and sadly failed was how many employees did Hennig have during the Third Reich period. Especially from 1938 onward.

Bruce


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08 Dec 2022
05:01:00am

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Just re-reading some old posts when I came across this: I wonder if you realised that Henning also produced monthly Magazines that contained a great deal of info about stamps. Here are some pages of one of them from 1925
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He seems to have had rather a lot of real knowledge.


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