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General Philatelic/Identify This? : Translate Michel Catalog Number

 

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BermudaSailor
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15 Jun 2020
10:17:29am
It would be greatly appreciated if someone could let me know what the Stanley Gibbons, or Scott, number equivalent is to Michel's Bermuda number 83 (KGV 10/ Key Plate).

Thanks,

David
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15 Jun 2020
11:25:21am
re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

Colnect shows a Mi 83b. Scott is 96 or 96a. Closest I could get. I may be all wet. Hope I did not muddy the water.

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15 Jun 2020
01:19:43pm
re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

I had a look in my SG Commonwealth & British Empire Stamps Catalogue 2010

1924 issue 10/- green and red/pale emerald - Stanley Gibbons number 92.
This issue has 4 variations listed.

1930 issue 10/- green and red/deep emerald - Stanley Gibbons number 92g.
This variations has 7 variation listed.

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15 Jun 2020
06:59:50pm
re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

Thanks guys

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18 Jun 2020
12:22:36pm
re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

Colnect is an excellent cross reference for catalog numbers as mentioned above, plus there is a great deal of information being compiled from different sources there.

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18 Jun 2020
06:58:21pm
re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

I'm not educated on any other catalog but Scott's. Why do the numbers differ so much? Do other catalogs put all the stamps together and not use C's, B's, J's, etc. as Scott's does? Do some not recognize differences by watermark, colour shade, etc.? Just curious...

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Brechinite

18 Jun 2020
08:03:16pm

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" Do some not recognize differences by watermark, colour shade, etc.? Just curious..."



That is correct.

Stanley Gibbons Stamps of the World does not recognize different Watermarks, or different perfs. It comes in 6 Volumes which cost around £300. It does not list airmails or semi postals in separate sections. They list them when they were produced in year sequence within the main list. They also list individual stamps not just the set like Scotts.
However in their sectional catalogues eg France, Middle East etc they do list colour variations, different watermarks and perf variations.

In some other catalogues definitives are listed in the year they were released whereas other catalogues list them in the year they were first introduced.

Basically you have to be aware of the differences between each catalogue producer so that you buy the right one for your specific needs. When I first started here I thought that I needed to use Scotts catalogue but when I discovered that Scotts did not list each individual stamp then their catalogue was binned.
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Al
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18 Jun 2020
09:02:24pm
re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

Scott does list watermark varieties, dies, etc. in their worldwide catalog set.

Scott also puts airmail, semi-postal, etc. in separate sections but many do not like that. As for the comment about listing for one number for various stamps, Scott usually only does this when stamps are on the same sheet. They will then assign a minor suffix for the individual sheets for the stamps. They usually assign a number on how they will be in their album.

I collect British Commonwealth and use the SG 1840 to 1970 and Scott. For KGV and later issues the coverage is nearly identical even if in different sections. SG is stronger in British Commonwealth in the pre-1940 with more shades, inverted watermarks.

I do not pay much attention to anything after 1980 or so.

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19 Jun 2020
02:24:35am
re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

As with almost all broad statements in our lives,
not just philately, there are likely exceptions to
every rule.

But underlying the original simple question is the
puzzlement of many collectors.
"Why can't the different catalogs use a common
system or provide a comparison chart ?"

That would certainly lessen the need for consulting
different catalogs, but each series of numbers are
a copyrighted intellectual property, guarded as if
someone's life depended on it.
Uses by other catalogs involves a licensing contract
and, no doubt, a payment for the benefit.
Dealers do sometimes list competing numbers in their
price lists, but as far as I know they cannot generate
a concordance to sell without the owners of a set of
catalog numbers weighing in with hungry lawyers.

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Al
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19 Jun 2020
05:38:10am
re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

It is probably the same reason there are so many Machin catalogs: SG (Concise, Specialized). Deegam. MCC. Connoisseur, etc.






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BermudaSailor

15 Jun 2020
10:17:29am

It would be greatly appreciated if someone could let me know what the Stanley Gibbons, or Scott, number equivalent is to Michel's Bermuda number 83 (KGV 10/ Key Plate).

Thanks,

David

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mbo1142

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15 Jun 2020
11:25:21am

re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

Colnect shows a Mi 83b. Scott is 96 or 96a. Closest I could get. I may be all wet. Hope I did not muddy the water.

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15 Jun 2020
01:19:43pm

re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

I had a look in my SG Commonwealth & British Empire Stamps Catalogue 2010

1924 issue 10/- green and red/pale emerald - Stanley Gibbons number 92.
This issue has 4 variations listed.

1930 issue 10/- green and red/deep emerald - Stanley Gibbons number 92g.
This variations has 7 variation listed.

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BermudaSailor

15 Jun 2020
06:59:50pm

re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

Thanks guys

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philatelia

18 Jun 2020
12:22:36pm

re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

Colnect is an excellent cross reference for catalog numbers as mentioned above, plus there is a great deal of information being compiled from different sources there.

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18 Jun 2020
06:58:21pm

re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

I'm not educated on any other catalog but Scott's. Why do the numbers differ so much? Do other catalogs put all the stamps together and not use C's, B's, J's, etc. as Scott's does? Do some not recognize differences by watermark, colour shade, etc.? Just curious...

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Brechinite

18 Jun 2020
08:03:16pm

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re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

" Do some not recognize differences by watermark, colour shade, etc.? Just curious..."



That is correct.

Stanley Gibbons Stamps of the World does not recognize different Watermarks, or different perfs. It comes in 6 Volumes which cost around £300. It does not list airmails or semi postals in separate sections. They list them when they were produced in year sequence within the main list. They also list individual stamps not just the set like Scotts.
However in their sectional catalogues eg France, Middle East etc they do list colour variations, different watermarks and perf variations.

In some other catalogues definitives are listed in the year they were released whereas other catalogues list them in the year they were first introduced.

Basically you have to be aware of the differences between each catalogue producer so that you buy the right one for your specific needs. When I first started here I thought that I needed to use Scotts catalogue but when I discovered that Scotts did not list each individual stamp then their catalogue was binned.
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Al
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18 Jun 2020
09:02:24pm

re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

Scott does list watermark varieties, dies, etc. in their worldwide catalog set.

Scott also puts airmail, semi-postal, etc. in separate sections but many do not like that. As for the comment about listing for one number for various stamps, Scott usually only does this when stamps are on the same sheet. They will then assign a minor suffix for the individual sheets for the stamps. They usually assign a number on how they will be in their album.

I collect British Commonwealth and use the SG 1840 to 1970 and Scott. For KGV and later issues the coverage is nearly identical even if in different sections. SG is stronger in British Commonwealth in the pre-1940 with more shades, inverted watermarks.

I do not pay much attention to anything after 1980 or so.

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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
19 Jun 2020
02:24:35am

re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

As with almost all broad statements in our lives,
not just philately, there are likely exceptions to
every rule.

But underlying the original simple question is the
puzzlement of many collectors.
"Why can't the different catalogs use a common
system or provide a comparison chart ?"

That would certainly lessen the need for consulting
different catalogs, but each series of numbers are
a copyrighted intellectual property, guarded as if
someone's life depended on it.
Uses by other catalogs involves a licensing contract
and, no doubt, a payment for the benefit.
Dealers do sometimes list competing numbers in their
price lists, but as far as I know they cannot generate
a concordance to sell without the owners of a set of
catalog numbers weighing in with hungry lawyers.

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Al
Collector, Moderator
19 Jun 2020
05:38:10am

re: Translate Michel Catalog Number

It is probably the same reason there are so many Machin catalogs: SG (Concise, Specialized). Deegam. MCC. Connoisseur, etc.






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