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I hope your Memorial Day is going fine. I am working on stamps and not even thinking about the beach. Can anyone tell me what this is? Thanks for checking. Paul Wilson. (OLDPAul).
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I can honestly say I've never seen anything even resembling that....
....a postage stamp from Neptune, maybe???????
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Hello,
The stamp is up down
It is in arabic language "um al qiwain" an Emirate of UAE states
As without face value, may be it is a label
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Thank you very much. Paul Wilson.(OLDPAUL)
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Possibly a label that was once attached to a stamp. Difficult to say which one, as there have been many stamps of Umm al-Qaiwain issued in a short time, but without the stamp practically worthless. Sort of glorified selvage/sheet margins.
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This label is from the long 1967 Umm al Qiwain set of fish stamps. SG 116-142.
Here's are three of the high values with their attached labels (taken from the Internet):
I was surprised to see that there are three parts in each label.
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A script style I don't recall ever seeing before....
....I love all the learning I've been privileged to acquire on this site!
(...but I still say it could be Neptunian! 
)
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12:48:32am
" ... (...but I still say it could be Neptunian! Laughing ) ..."
It might as well b from Neptune itself as from Um Ali Balli Hai
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Hello Nigelc,
Thank you for the photo. Now I can see how the label attached. OLDPAUL.
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The sleuths on this site are truly amazing
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11:24:37am
Just out of curiosity, what value (on average) does the label add to the stamp. I assume Scott's values are usually without labels. I'm also curious about early stamps from certain countries where removing the label seems to have a mailing purpose. Some of the early Belgium stamps are shown in Catalogs with labels attached and Scott's says that stamps without labels have a lower value. I also have some Poland stamps with labels that seem to have them only because they were removed from mini sheets. Do the labels themselves have value and are there collectors? Lots of questions...
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Attached, the Belgian label says "Do not deliver on Sunday"
Ne livrez pas le dimanche
which implies that with the label removed the sender wants
his or her mail, delivered now, Saturday or Sunday.
I have no idea why collectors and there fore Scott
considers the one better than the other.
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As for the Belgian stamps with labels, they were issued as such, and a loose stamp without the label just isn't complete. A bit like a se-tenant that got separated. On cover it may be a different kettle of fish, as a document of the times, so to say.
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The Belgian stamps are a conundrum. The sender had an option to remove the tab for Sunday delivery, so either/or should be the same CV in my opinion. Maybe this example is the answer
Covers all the bases!!
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Dave, that's really an odd one. Usually the inscription was crossed out on postal cards that were supposed to be delivered on a Sunday. Maybe this stamp was once part of a vertical pair? We'll never know.
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It's the only one I've seen, and have always assumed that it had been affixed to an envelope and then crossed out. As you said, we'll never know.
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Hello Dave,
That system also existed in the Netherlands only the labels were not attached to the stamp
The postman who came in big cities up to seven times a day to deliver the mail.
Postal orders were also quite normal on Sunday. But more and more people were struggling with the postpone disturbing Sunday rest.
For this reason, mailers who did not want to have it delivered to the addressee on Sundays started to write with the pen: do not order on Sunday.
These written indications were not so noticeable and that is why the PTT decided to have striking red labels printed that could be purchased as a sender.
From January 15, 1912, the labels were sold in sheets of 50 pieces for 1 cent per sheet. From August 1, 1916, the sheets were even free.
But the practice with the labels was a setback, so it was decided to reverse the working method.
From now on, only letters, postcards and notices of death were ordered on which a blue label was affixed with the text: order on Sunday.
These labels were available from 10 July 1919 (official date 20 July) in sheets of 10 at the price of 1 cent per sheet.
The red labels could no longer be used after July 20, 1919.
Sunday service was canceled in most smaller and medium-sized cities.
Only a few large cities still had an order on Sunday. That is why new labels were made with the text: Order on Sunday.
As edge lettering it was stated: When an order is placed on the spot on Sunday.
These labels were available from December 16, 1925 at the price of 1 cent per sheet of 10 pieces.
In 1935, only a few cities had a Sunday order.
These were Amsterdam, The Hague, Scheveningen, Groningen, Rotterdam and Utrecht.
Therefore, a new label was made indicating the six cities.
The labels were printed in sheets of 50 pieces.
From November 6, 1938, the Sunday order in Groningen expired.
As of April 21, 1940, all Sunday service in the Netherlands was discontinued except for express items.
Until September 30, 1940, people who still had labels at home could hand them in at the post office for a fee of 1 cent per 10 pieces.
Source :
https://www.postzegelblog.nl/2012/10/09/niet-bestellen-of-wel-bestellen-op-zondag/
Do not deliver 1917
Deliver 1922
Deliver 1929
Deliver 1938
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Hello,
I hope your Memorial Day is going fine. I am working on stamps and not even thinking about the beach. Can anyone tell me what this is? Thanks for checking. Paul Wilson. (OLDPAul).
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re: MYSTERY STAMP.
I can honestly say I've never seen anything even resembling that....
....a postage stamp from Neptune, maybe???????
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06:21:05pm
re: MYSTERY STAMP.
Hello,
Thank you very much. Paul Wilson.(OLDPAUL)
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re: MYSTERY STAMP.
Possibly a label that was once attached to a stamp. Difficult to say which one, as there have been many stamps of Umm al-Qaiwain issued in a short time, but without the stamp practically worthless. Sort of glorified selvage/sheet margins.
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re: MYSTERY STAMP.
This label is from the long 1967 Umm al Qiwain set of fish stamps. SG 116-142.
Here's are three of the high values with their attached labels (taken from the Internet):
I was surprised to see that there are three parts in each label.
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re: MYSTERY STAMP.
A script style I don't recall ever seeing before....
....I love all the learning I've been privileged to acquire on this site!
(...but I still say it could be Neptunian! )
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12:48:32am
re: MYSTERY STAMP.
" ... (...but I still say it could be Neptunian! Laughing ) ..."
It might as well b from Neptune itself as from Um Ali Balli Hai
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Hello Nigelc,
Thank you for the photo. Now I can see how the label attached. OLDPAUL.
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The sleuths on this site are truly amazing
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This is my diabetic cat OBI! I think, therefore I am - I think! Descartes, sort of!
08 Jun 2020
11:24:37am
re: MYSTERY STAMP.
Just out of curiosity, what value (on average) does the label add to the stamp. I assume Scott's values are usually without labels. I'm also curious about early stamps from certain countries where removing the label seems to have a mailing purpose. Some of the early Belgium stamps are shown in Catalogs with labels attached and Scott's says that stamps without labels have a lower value. I also have some Poland stamps with labels that seem to have them only because they were removed from mini sheets. Do the labels themselves have value and are there collectors? Lots of questions...
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
08 Jun 2020
06:07:07pm
re: MYSTERY STAMP.
Attached, the Belgian label says "Do not deliver on Sunday"
Ne livrez pas le dimanche
which implies that with the label removed the sender wants
his or her mail, delivered now, Saturday or Sunday.
I have no idea why collectors and there fore Scott
considers the one better than the other.
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re: MYSTERY STAMP.
As for the Belgian stamps with labels, they were issued as such, and a loose stamp without the label just isn't complete. A bit like a se-tenant that got separated. On cover it may be a different kettle of fish, as a document of the times, so to say.
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re: MYSTERY STAMP.
The Belgian stamps are a conundrum. The sender had an option to remove the tab for Sunday delivery, so either/or should be the same CV in my opinion. Maybe this example is the answer
Covers all the bases!!
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re: MYSTERY STAMP.
Dave, that's really an odd one. Usually the inscription was crossed out on postal cards that were supposed to be delivered on a Sunday. Maybe this stamp was once part of a vertical pair? We'll never know.
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re: MYSTERY STAMP.
It's the only one I've seen, and have always assumed that it had been affixed to an envelope and then crossed out. As you said, we'll never know.
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re: MYSTERY STAMP.
Hello Dave,
That system also existed in the Netherlands only the labels were not attached to the stamp
The postman who came in big cities up to seven times a day to deliver the mail.
Postal orders were also quite normal on Sunday. But more and more people were struggling with the postpone disturbing Sunday rest.
For this reason, mailers who did not want to have it delivered to the addressee on Sundays started to write with the pen: do not order on Sunday.
These written indications were not so noticeable and that is why the PTT decided to have striking red labels printed that could be purchased as a sender.
From January 15, 1912, the labels were sold in sheets of 50 pieces for 1 cent per sheet. From August 1, 1916, the sheets were even free.
But the practice with the labels was a setback, so it was decided to reverse the working method.
From now on, only letters, postcards and notices of death were ordered on which a blue label was affixed with the text: order on Sunday.
These labels were available from 10 July 1919 (official date 20 July) in sheets of 10 at the price of 1 cent per sheet.
The red labels could no longer be used after July 20, 1919.
Sunday service was canceled in most smaller and medium-sized cities.
Only a few large cities still had an order on Sunday. That is why new labels were made with the text: Order on Sunday.
As edge lettering it was stated: When an order is placed on the spot on Sunday.
These labels were available from December 16, 1925 at the price of 1 cent per sheet of 10 pieces.
In 1935, only a few cities had a Sunday order.
These were Amsterdam, The Hague, Scheveningen, Groningen, Rotterdam and Utrecht.
Therefore, a new label was made indicating the six cities.
The labels were printed in sheets of 50 pieces.
From November 6, 1938, the Sunday order in Groningen expired.
As of April 21, 1940, all Sunday service in the Netherlands was discontinued except for express items.
Until September 30, 1940, people who still had labels at home could hand them in at the post office for a fee of 1 cent per 10 pieces.
Source :
https://www.postzegelblog.nl/2012/10/09/niet-bestellen-of-wel-bestellen-op-zondag/
Do not deliver 1917
Deliver 1922
Deliver 1929
Deliver 1938
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