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Many early Israeli stamps had both a tab and selvedge (the edge of the sheet).
Stamps with both the tab and selvedge have "full tabs", stamps that have the tab, but are missing the selvedge, are "half tab" and are worth considerably less.
Clive
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08:09:12pm
"..... I was wondering if there is any difference
in value between the two? Thanks for the answer. ....."
The value of things like "tabs" and "selvage" attached
to certain stamps is set by the meeting of sellers and buyers
minds. And that is also effected by supply and demand.
Most serious MNH Israel collectors consider the tabs to be
an important integral part of the stamp. They will pay double,
triple and even more for an intact stamp with tab that they
need, especially if it has eluded them for some time. There
may be others not so concerned.
To me, the tab is an interesting curiosity but, for the most part,
little more than a sometimes attractive, made for collectors,
"souvenir," and unimportant to the (my) preferred postally used
stamp with a clear usage period dated stamp.
If you are seeking to sell blocks or singles with tabs, you
should expect more than those with out. It is you who are the
collector, so the decision is yours to seek MNH with tabs and
pay the price, MNH w/o tabs, or postally used.
As for selvage, I carefully fold it several times and tear it off.
"Different strokes for different folks."
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I'd just like to add that some dealers/sellers often have for sale early Israel Stamps that are stated to be 'with tab'. Take great care to check if it's a full tab or half tab because the difference in price for some of those early issues (1948-57) can be quite high. Dealers/sellers should list those stamps that are missing the selvedge as having no tab, because this is their true worth.
Be aware.
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To me, there are tabs I care nothing about and there are tabs I would like to have, and as mentioned would pay more for.
This is what I consider a useless tab with no artistic value:
And this is a tab and salvage I would keep:
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I collect German stamps that have the value and number of the column / row inscribed on the salvage.
Because I collect flaws of these stamps, these values/numbers help me identify the field of the stamp in the sheet.
Michel cat.specialised mentions the fields in which the flaws are found.
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Cougar......I agree that one is ordinary and the other adds life but when it comes to the value it's a no-brainer.
The difference in value between with or without tab on the stamps shown is about $10 on the top one and about 10c on the bottom one.
So it's still buyer beware about the selvedge on the earlies !!
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08:21:54am
And that mes amis is why, come hell, high water
or Civid-19 the Kentucky Derby will be held, more or less on schedule..
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"This is what I consider a useless tab with no artistic value
...
And this is a tab and salvage I would keep"
Although artistic merit is important, I don't believe that it is the primary consideration for most stamp collectors when choosing what to collect.
And, although the early stamp tab may not be as pretty, from a historical context it is, to my mind, the far more interesting of the two stamps.
The early stamp is from the first "Doar Ivri" (Hebrew Post) series issued in 1948 for a yet to be named state. Ancient coins were selected as the central motif, and because the ancient Hebrew on the coins would not be intelligible to the average person, it was decided to include a description on the tab - which, is I believe where the practice began.
Clive
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"The difference in value between with or without tab on the stamps shown is about $10"
Could be, but I am not going to be the collector paying it. What was the saying: different strokes for different folks.
However, the online catalog I have shows a bigger difference in price between the regular perforation and perf: 10-3/4. Perforation 11 with tab is listed at only 2.50 (a 25 cent stamp)
There are other similar tabs where catalog value is not very different between tab and no tab.
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06:56:48pm
Jules, you are arguing about the difference in
value between the "tab" and "no tab" issues.
But you cite the difference between the "regular
perforation" and the "10¾ x 11" perforation.
Unless they are the same ?
Remember some of our readers may have no idea
what a "regular perforation" for an Israeli
stamps might be.
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Charlie, I meant the difference in price between perforation #11 and #10-3/4.
I consider "regular" what the more common issue is.
Yes, the discussion is between tab and no tab. I just wanted to point out, even for this 1948 issue there is no $10 difference in value between the two (as far as the regular issue is concerned)
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01:27:42am
" .... I consider "regular" what the more common issue is. ...."
Yes, and that is just about it means to most of us.
But you never know unless you ask what someone else might have in mind.
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"... the Kentucky Derby will be held, more or less on schedule ..."
Schedule, shmedule, what's with changing the length of the Belmont Stakes?
Maybe they change the rules of Triple Crown races all the time - and I have not been paying attention, I promise you - but baseball fans will go nuts when they dare to change the stitching on the ball because it makes historic records less comparable.
Q/ What was the rationale for changing the length of the race?
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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10:45:04am
Bigger horses?
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"Q/ What was the rationale for changing the length of the race?
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey"
I read it's because of the training schedule (no further elaboration) and because of the Belmont's move to the opening race of the Triple Crown. They've also changed the time spacing between races, from 5 weeks for 3 races, to 3 1/2 months.
I don't follow the sport, but I always thought the significance of winning the triple crown is that these are races of 3 different lengths from 1 1/4 miles to 1 1/2 miles, which is a challenge for horses usually trained to excel at a specific race length. The change from 1 1/2 miles to 1 1/8 changes the whole complexion of the competition, with no long race to endure. If there is a triple crown winner this year, watch for an asterisk to be included next to the winner's name.
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I recently got a Scott Israel tab specialty album. I have seen stamps with just the tab on bottom and some that must have come off the edge of the sheet. I was wondering if there is any difference in value between the two? Thanks for the answer.
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re: Israel Tab Question
Many early Israeli stamps had both a tab and selvedge (the edge of the sheet).
Stamps with both the tab and selvedge have "full tabs", stamps that have the tab, but are missing the selvedge, are "half tab" and are worth considerably less.
Clive
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20 May 2020
08:09:12pm
re: Israel Tab Question
"..... I was wondering if there is any difference
in value between the two? Thanks for the answer. ....."
The value of things like "tabs" and "selvage" attached
to certain stamps is set by the meeting of sellers and buyers
minds. And that is also effected by supply and demand.
Most serious MNH Israel collectors consider the tabs to be
an important integral part of the stamp. They will pay double,
triple and even more for an intact stamp with tab that they
need, especially if it has eluded them for some time. There
may be others not so concerned.
To me, the tab is an interesting curiosity but, for the most part,
little more than a sometimes attractive, made for collectors,
"souvenir," and unimportant to the (my) preferred postally used
stamp with a clear usage period dated stamp.
If you are seeking to sell blocks or singles with tabs, you
should expect more than those with out. It is you who are the
collector, so the decision is yours to seek MNH with tabs and
pay the price, MNH w/o tabs, or postally used.
As for selvage, I carefully fold it several times and tear it off.
"Different strokes for different folks."
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re: Israel Tab Question
I'd just like to add that some dealers/sellers often have for sale early Israel Stamps that are stated to be 'with tab'. Take great care to check if it's a full tab or half tab because the difference in price for some of those early issues (1948-57) can be quite high. Dealers/sellers should list those stamps that are missing the selvedge as having no tab, because this is their true worth.
Be aware.
Londonbus1
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re: Israel Tab Question
To me, there are tabs I care nothing about and there are tabs I would like to have, and as mentioned would pay more for.
This is what I consider a useless tab with no artistic value:
And this is a tab and salvage I would keep:
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03:15:22am
re: Israel Tab Question
I collect German stamps that have the value and number of the column / row inscribed on the salvage.
Because I collect flaws of these stamps, these values/numbers help me identify the field of the stamp in the sheet.
Michel cat.specialised mentions the fields in which the flaws are found.
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re: Israel Tab Question
Cougar......I agree that one is ordinary and the other adds life but when it comes to the value it's a no-brainer.
The difference in value between with or without tab on the stamps shown is about $10 on the top one and about 10c on the bottom one.
So it's still buyer beware about the selvedge on the earlies !!
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
22 May 2020
08:21:54am
re: Israel Tab Question
And that mes amis is why, come hell, high water
or Civid-19 the Kentucky Derby will be held, more or less on schedule..
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re: Israel Tab Question
"This is what I consider a useless tab with no artistic value
...
And this is a tab and salvage I would keep"
Although artistic merit is important, I don't believe that it is the primary consideration for most stamp collectors when choosing what to collect.
And, although the early stamp tab may not be as pretty, from a historical context it is, to my mind, the far more interesting of the two stamps.
The early stamp is from the first "Doar Ivri" (Hebrew Post) series issued in 1948 for a yet to be named state. Ancient coins were selected as the central motif, and because the ancient Hebrew on the coins would not be intelligible to the average person, it was decided to include a description on the tab - which, is I believe where the practice began.
Clive
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re: Israel Tab Question
"The difference in value between with or without tab on the stamps shown is about $10"
Could be, but I am not going to be the collector paying it. What was the saying: different strokes for different folks.
However, the online catalog I have shows a bigger difference in price between the regular perforation and perf: 10-3/4. Perforation 11 with tab is listed at only 2.50 (a 25 cent stamp)
There are other similar tabs where catalog value is not very different between tab and no tab.
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24 May 2020
06:56:48pm
re: Israel Tab Question
Jules, you are arguing about the difference in
value between the "tab" and "no tab" issues.
But you cite the difference between the "regular
perforation" and the "10¾ x 11" perforation.
Unless they are the same ?
Remember some of our readers may have no idea
what a "regular perforation" for an Israeli
stamps might be.
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re: Israel Tab Question
Charlie, I meant the difference in price between perforation #11 and #10-3/4.
I consider "regular" what the more common issue is.
Yes, the discussion is between tab and no tab. I just wanted to point out, even for this 1948 issue there is no $10 difference in value between the two (as far as the regular issue is concerned)
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30 May 2020
01:27:42am
re: Israel Tab Question
" .... I consider "regular" what the more common issue is. ...."
Yes, and that is just about it means to most of us.
But you never know unless you ask what someone else might have in mind.
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re: Israel Tab Question
"... the Kentucky Derby will be held, more or less on schedule ..."
Schedule, shmedule, what's with changing the length of the Belmont Stakes?
Maybe they change the rules of Triple Crown races all the time - and I have not been paying attention, I promise you - but baseball fans will go nuts when they dare to change the stitching on the ball because it makes historic records less comparable.
Q/ What was the rationale for changing the length of the race?
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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31 May 2020
10:45:04am
re: Israel Tab Question
Bigger horses?
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re: Israel Tab Question
"Q/ What was the rationale for changing the length of the race?
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey"
I read it's because of the training schedule (no further elaboration) and because of the Belmont's move to the opening race of the Triple Crown. They've also changed the time spacing between races, from 5 weeks for 3 races, to 3 1/2 months.
I don't follow the sport, but I always thought the significance of winning the triple crown is that these are races of 3 different lengths from 1 1/4 miles to 1 1/2 miles, which is a challenge for horses usually trained to excel at a specific race length. The change from 1 1/2 miles to 1 1/8 changes the whole complexion of the competition, with no long race to endure. If there is a triple crown winner this year, watch for an asterisk to be included next to the winner's name.
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