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Europe/Other : Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

 

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lemaven
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18 May 2020
07:00:23pm
These are Scott #70-71 (issued 1902 for those using Michel).

Scott notes that forgeries are plentiful. Are there any tell-tale signs to look for on these two stamps?

Thanks, Dave.

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18 May 2020
07:47:43pm
re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

Hi Dave,

I think these two are ok but the images aren't very sharp.

I've not checked mine before but using Bynof-Smith as a reference (a general forgery guide) I seem to have a genuine mint set and very nicely cancelled "used" set of forgeries.

In my forgeries the dates at the top are smaller and to my eyes the figure "8" has a different shape.

There are other differences but they really need a sharper scan to be clear.

These differences involve the shape of the ornaments at the middle left, the form of the letters "A" in the text at the left, the detail on the outstretched hand of the fallen soldier etc.

Maybe someone more experienced with this issue could confirm or correct what I've written?

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18 May 2020
10:50:11pm
re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

There are two types of forgeries of this issue. In both types of forgeries, look at the year date "1902" in the upper right corner of the stamp. If the foot of the number "2" touches the frame line, it is a forgery. In the genuine stamps the foot of the numeral does not touch the frame line.

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19 May 2020
02:56:44am
re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

Thanks Nigel & Michael.

Here's a closeup with higher resolution and some colour adjustments. Neither of the feet of the 2 touch the frame, which is good. But it is certainly closer on #70 (top image) than #71 (bottom).

Interestingly on #70 the numbers are thicker, the top of the 2 is tilted more into the 0, and the foot is more curved than flat.


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19 May 2020
06:49:09am
re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

Hi Dave and Michael,

Here is the same corner from my three forgeries scanned first at at 300 dpi then 2400 dpi:

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and a scan of the complete stamps with two different cancels:

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19 May 2020
10:16:44am
re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

Assuming the copies I have are legit another noticeable difference is seen in the scroll that surrounds the year-date. On the forgeries there is a clear break between the vertical lines and the “coat-hanger” shape on top.

Cheers, Dave

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19 May 2020
10:12:39pm
re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

Dave, I think your two are genuine. I also think that the 5 ct (red) stamp looks like a heavy inking.

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20 May 2020
09:57:19am
re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

Thanks Michael.

I agree that the red stamp features look thicker because of a "heavy inking".

The paper is very flimsy and seems porous. And the printing reminds me of days as a kid in the 1960s doing silkscreens. Is there a similar process for printing stamps? If so, that would lend further credence to your observation.

Another thing that struck me is the odd tilt on the "2". I wonder if the "190" was printed first and the "2" on a second pass - perhaps to leave it open for issues in 1903, 1904, etc? I quickly looked for such info but did not find anything useful.

Thanks for all the great responses Michael & Nigel.

Cheers, Dave.

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bluparrot

20 May 2020
04:32:40pm
re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

The always informative 1840-1940 Big Blue blog has an excellent article regarding this issue, along with some history. It has illustrations of genuine and forged examples with many distinguishing features between the two.

http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.com/2015/03/bulgaria-1902-battle-of-shipka-pass.html

-Les

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20 May 2020
09:40:21pm
re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

Wow Les, thanks for that link.

VERY interesting (the history especially as I collect WWI and WWII issues and like to get the "deep" background of previous wars, disputes, and political forces that lead to new countries, shifts of territories between countries, etc).

I've bookmarked Big Blue as I suspect there may be a wealth of great info there.

Cheers, Dave.

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18 May 2020
07:00:23pm

These are Scott #70-71 (issued 1902 for those using Michel).

Scott notes that forgeries are plentiful. Are there any tell-tale signs to look for on these two stamps?

Thanks, Dave.

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18 May 2020
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re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

Hi Dave,

I think these two are ok but the images aren't very sharp.

I've not checked mine before but using Bynof-Smith as a reference (a general forgery guide) I seem to have a genuine mint set and very nicely cancelled "used" set of forgeries.

In my forgeries the dates at the top are smaller and to my eyes the figure "8" has a different shape.

There are other differences but they really need a sharper scan to be clear.

These differences involve the shape of the ornaments at the middle left, the form of the letters "A" in the text at the left, the detail on the outstretched hand of the fallen soldier etc.

Maybe someone more experienced with this issue could confirm or correct what I've written?

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18 May 2020
10:50:11pm

re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

There are two types of forgeries of this issue. In both types of forgeries, look at the year date "1902" in the upper right corner of the stamp. If the foot of the number "2" touches the frame line, it is a forgery. In the genuine stamps the foot of the numeral does not touch the frame line.

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19 May 2020
02:56:44am

re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

Thanks Nigel & Michael.

Here's a closeup with higher resolution and some colour adjustments. Neither of the feet of the 2 touch the frame, which is good. But it is certainly closer on #70 (top image) than #71 (bottom).

Interestingly on #70 the numbers are thicker, the top of the 2 is tilted more into the 0, and the foot is more curved than flat.


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19 May 2020
06:49:09am

re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

Hi Dave and Michael,

Here is the same corner from my three forgeries scanned first at at 300 dpi then 2400 dpi:

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and a scan of the complete stamps with two different cancels:

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19 May 2020
10:16:44am

re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

Assuming the copies I have are legit another noticeable difference is seen in the scroll that surrounds the year-date. On the forgeries there is a clear break between the vertical lines and the “coat-hanger” shape on top.

Cheers, Dave

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19 May 2020
10:12:39pm

re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

Dave, I think your two are genuine. I also think that the 5 ct (red) stamp looks like a heavy inking.

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20 May 2020
09:57:19am

re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

Thanks Michael.

I agree that the red stamp features look thicker because of a "heavy inking".

The paper is very flimsy and seems porous. And the printing reminds me of days as a kid in the 1960s doing silkscreens. Is there a similar process for printing stamps? If so, that would lend further credence to your observation.

Another thing that struck me is the odd tilt on the "2". I wonder if the "190" was printed first and the "2" on a second pass - perhaps to leave it open for issues in 1903, 1904, etc? I quickly looked for such info but did not find anything useful.

Thanks for all the great responses Michael & Nigel.

Cheers, Dave.

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bluparrot

20 May 2020
04:32:40pm

re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

The always informative 1840-1940 Big Blue blog has an excellent article regarding this issue, along with some history. It has illustrations of genuine and forged examples with many distinguishing features between the two.

http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.com/2015/03/bulgaria-1902-battle-of-shipka-pass.html

-Les

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20 May 2020
09:40:21pm

re: Bulgaria - Possible Forgeries - How To Tell?

Wow Les, thanks for that link.

VERY interesting (the history especially as I collect WWI and WWII issues and like to get the "deep" background of previous wars, disputes, and political forces that lead to new countries, shifts of territories between countries, etc).

I've bookmarked Big Blue as I suspect there may be a wealth of great info there.

Cheers, Dave.

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