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Hi mbo1142,
The stamp on the right is a Hungarian revenue stamp.
"Két fillér" is the face value, two filler.
It dates from the 1898 series and the date is shown at the bottom although this is not easy to read as the surrounding green colour has faded a lot.
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In the Forbin catalogue both these stamps are listed under "Effets de Commerce" which I guess relates to a tax on bills of exchange or similar financial instruments.
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Nigel,
Thank you very much. Going through a pile I purchased today at an Estate sale and came across these two. Had no idea except the one on the left was in the German language, so figured where that one originated, but the other had me completly stumped.
Again, thanks for your help.
Mel
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07:47:59pm
The crown and the currency in "filler" are the clues to the origin of the Hungarian stamp.
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Thanks Roy,
I can understand the "filler", but is the crown, or that particular crown, only on Hungarian stamps?
Another reason I will stick with my WF.
Mel
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10:57:03pm
"but is the crown, or that particular crown, only on Hungarian stamps?"
I won't say it is "only" on Hungarian stamps, but I don't know of anywhere else that uses it. It is the "Crown of St. Stephan". Look at Hungarian stamps from 1874 to about the 1920s (either Scott catalog or some of the online sites) and you will see it features prominently on many issues.
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St Stephen's Crown has a bent cross on the top which is not easy to see on this stamp but on many others it stands out clearly.
Here's a photo from Wipipedia which shows how amazing the real crown is:
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that crown was in American possession from the end of the second war until 1978, when it was returned.
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Under magnification the crown does have the bent cross and the dangling chains. Have put this information in my reference library.
Thank everyone for the information.
Mel
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06:24:47pm
I did a bit of research on the crown concerning it being in the US. It was actually given to the US after WWII by the Hungarians to keep it safe from Russia. It was returned by Jimmy Carter. Talking about Carter, here is a wonderful little song by Tom Paxton based on a true incident. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFAOCBY8zrI
Just highlight the link and click, It'll work!
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Now about the LEFT one.
This is a German revenue exchange stamp.
Basically you would pay a fee to exchange marks into francs or vice versa.
In this case the fee was 0,10 mark on an exchange of 200 marks (or less) and the stamp is your receipt for payment of the fee.
You can find them in the ERLER Catalog.
Issue 1882
Issue 1900
P.S.
Those prices are in Deutsch Marks ( so before 2000 )
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Thank you HockeyNut,
Another addition to my reference file.
Mel
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Hello HockeyNut,
Was this tax payable on any currency conversion?
I assumed this was the same tax payable on foreign bills of exchange (foreign bank drafts etc.) as was levied in the UK and many other countries.
I didn't expect it to apply if you walked into a German bank and converted cash in, say, francs into marks or vice versa.
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Hello nigelc,
I believe it was, but do not know it for sure. Can not find much about this on the net.
In the late 1800's and begin 1900's there were a lot of local currencies in Germany.
I had posted earlier about that.
I believe it was arithmetic question about conversion from 1 currency to another.
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I know the stamp on the left is a German Exchange Stamp, but know nothing else. What was it used for and by whom? Date is 1892. The second one is a complete mystery. I cannot find a translation for Ket Filler other than Google says it is Kurdish. Any help would be appreciated.
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Hi mbo1142,
The stamp on the right is a Hungarian revenue stamp.
"Két fillér" is the face value, two filler.
It dates from the 1898 series and the date is shown at the bottom although this is not easy to read as the surrounding green colour has faded a lot.
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In the Forbin catalogue both these stamps are listed under "Effets de Commerce" which I guess relates to a tax on bills of exchange or similar financial instruments.
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Nigel,
Thank you very much. Going through a pile I purchased today at an Estate sale and came across these two. Had no idea except the one on the left was in the German language, so figured where that one originated, but the other had me completly stumped.
Again, thanks for your help.
Mel
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re: Help On One Known and One Unknown
The crown and the currency in "filler" are the clues to the origin of the Hungarian stamp.
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Thanks Roy,
I can understand the "filler", but is the crown, or that particular crown, only on Hungarian stamps?
Another reason I will stick with my WF.
Mel
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re: Help On One Known and One Unknown
"but is the crown, or that particular crown, only on Hungarian stamps?"
I won't say it is "only" on Hungarian stamps, but I don't know of anywhere else that uses it. It is the "Crown of St. Stephan". Look at Hungarian stamps from 1874 to about the 1920s (either Scott catalog or some of the online sites) and you will see it features prominently on many issues.
Roy
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re: Help On One Known and One Unknown
St Stephen's Crown has a bent cross on the top which is not easy to see on this stamp but on many others it stands out clearly.
Here's a photo from Wipipedia which shows how amazing the real crown is:
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re: Help On One Known and One Unknown
that crown was in American possession from the end of the second war until 1978, when it was returned.
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Under magnification the crown does have the bent cross and the dangling chains. Have put this information in my reference library.
Thank everyone for the information.
Mel
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re: Help On One Known and One Unknown
I did a bit of research on the crown concerning it being in the US. It was actually given to the US after WWII by the Hungarians to keep it safe from Russia. It was returned by Jimmy Carter. Talking about Carter, here is a wonderful little song by Tom Paxton based on a true incident. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFAOCBY8zrI
Just highlight the link and click, It'll work!
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Now about the LEFT one.
This is a German revenue exchange stamp.
Basically you would pay a fee to exchange marks into francs or vice versa.
In this case the fee was 0,10 mark on an exchange of 200 marks (or less) and the stamp is your receipt for payment of the fee.
You can find them in the ERLER Catalog.
Issue 1882
Issue 1900
P.S.
Those prices are in Deutsch Marks ( so before 2000 )
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re: Help On One Known and One Unknown
Thank you HockeyNut,
Another addition to my reference file.
Mel
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re: Help On One Known and One Unknown
Hello HockeyNut,
Was this tax payable on any currency conversion?
I assumed this was the same tax payable on foreign bills of exchange (foreign bank drafts etc.) as was levied in the UK and many other countries.
I didn't expect it to apply if you walked into a German bank and converted cash in, say, francs into marks or vice versa.
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Hello nigelc,
I believe it was, but do not know it for sure. Can not find much about this on the net.
In the late 1800's and begin 1900's there were a lot of local currencies in Germany.
I had posted earlier about that.
I believe it was arithmetic question about conversion from 1 currency to another.
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