I know pics and monitor display differences can make it difficult to detect some things like wet vs dry, but here is a pic showing a dry print pair and the strip of 3 in question...
Dave N.
I found a used pair of 1058 that I have that also looked wet print, but with no precancel.
So I checked the back side of both the pair and the strip of 3.
The pair shows a light pink stain over the entire back, so I would say the appearance of being a wet print on the front side is just a result of some prior soaking efforts by someone.
The strip of 3 however, looks clean/no stain from soaking on the back side.
Dave N.
Besides the set off (ink on back), wet printings usually have thinner paper and slightly yellow paper. You can usually flip over and compare to a dry printed stamp.
My 2016 catalog doesn't show a wet print without precancel.
There is a LOT of variation in the amount of coloration of the paper in the wet print process, and dry print isn't exactly dry, but not as wet.
If you look at the wet print coil:
and then the dry print coil:
the difference is rater obvious. But take a look at these two. The plate numbers tells us they are one wet and one dry, but they don't look all that different! (They look a lot more alike in real life). The Theodore Roosevelt stamps are almost indistinguishable.
I tried to get heavily inked examples for my wet coils because there are no partial plate numbers to easily get, like booklet panes. For the dry coils I tried to be sure they were at least as light as the plate number examples of dry plates, but I'm sure I could have been fooled.
From Durland 2016. I read this to say all precancels for 4c Lincoln were wet printed but defer to others.
Thanks for the inputs Angore and Larsdog, I like those album pages with the plate number examples of the wet/dry. No question then which one. I'd like to eventually get plate singles for my collection like you show.
Would still like to hear if the latest edition of Scott says anything different.
Dave N.
Angore:
I understand the 4-cent Lincoln coils, wet printed, to only be precancelled.
David
2019 Scott US Specialized lists 1058b as large holes, wet print, precanceled. No mention of any other varieties.
-Les
Thanks Les....
All,
My 2014 edition of Scott Specialized lists 1058 4c Abraham Lincoln coil with large or small holes as dry print. It lists 1058b as large hole wet print (Bureau precanceled).
I think I have a 1058 strip of 3 with joint line that is wet print, but it is not precanceled.
Can someone check if Scott has listed this variety since the 2014 edition?
Thanks in advance.
Dave N.
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?
I know pics and monitor display differences can make it difficult to detect some things like wet vs dry, but here is a pic showing a dry print pair and the strip of 3 in question...
Dave N.
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?
I found a used pair of 1058 that I have that also looked wet print, but with no precancel.
So I checked the back side of both the pair and the strip of 3.
The pair shows a light pink stain over the entire back, so I would say the appearance of being a wet print on the front side is just a result of some prior soaking efforts by someone.
The strip of 3 however, looks clean/no stain from soaking on the back side.
Dave N.
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?
Besides the set off (ink on back), wet printings usually have thinner paper and slightly yellow paper. You can usually flip over and compare to a dry printed stamp.
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?
My 2016 catalog doesn't show a wet print without precancel.
There is a LOT of variation in the amount of coloration of the paper in the wet print process, and dry print isn't exactly dry, but not as wet.
If you look at the wet print coil:
and then the dry print coil:
the difference is rater obvious. But take a look at these two. The plate numbers tells us they are one wet and one dry, but they don't look all that different! (They look a lot more alike in real life). The Theodore Roosevelt stamps are almost indistinguishable.
I tried to get heavily inked examples for my wet coils because there are no partial plate numbers to easily get, like booklet panes. For the dry coils I tried to be sure they were at least as light as the plate number examples of dry plates, but I'm sure I could have been fooled.
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?
From Durland 2016. I read this to say all precancels for 4c Lincoln were wet printed but defer to others.
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?
Thanks for the inputs Angore and Larsdog, I like those album pages with the plate number examples of the wet/dry. No question then which one. I'd like to eventually get plate singles for my collection like you show.
Would still like to hear if the latest edition of Scott says anything different.
Dave N.
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?
Angore:
I understand the 4-cent Lincoln coils, wet printed, to only be precancelled.
David
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?
2019 Scott US Specialized lists 1058b as large holes, wet print, precanceled. No mention of any other varieties.
-Les
re: Liberty Series 4c Coil (1058/1058b) wet print not a precanx?
Thanks Les....