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According to Y&T there are two types of the 25c. type 1 (#114) and type 2 (#118)
Type 2 has gaps in the frame under the numeral so it could be the fourth stamp you show (but I am not certain..could be a spec of dust that caused the gap of your fourth stamp).
There are several varieties of the numeral separately printed as noted by Y&T: numeral outside the box (114a), missing numeral (114b), inverted numeral (114c) as well as an imperf (#114d).
According to Y&T type 1 was printed in two passes, while type 2 was printed in a single pass. The 10c and 25c are the only stamps available in both type 1 and type 2.
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The numerals for the type 1 (2 pass printing) can fall shifted in the box, but some are also well centered, so it is better to rely on the gaps in the frame for identification.
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Hi smaugie,
That's an interesting puzzle!
I suspect these are all Sc. #119a.
However, it's a little confusing comparing different catalogues.
According to SG,
the innermost of the two inner frame lines ...
SG 298 (figure of value inserted at a second printing) ... is always continuous.
SG 302 (entire stamp printed at one time) ... is interrupted
The "innermost frame line" here is the one immediately to the right of the large figure 5.
These correspond to what Maury calls Type 1 and Type 2 respectively:
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Hi,
It is difficult to tell 119 and 119a apart.
However, in my SG France specialised catalogue Scott # 119a is SG 298 and Scott 119 is not listed at all as a 1900 issue.
I checked it on my Ceres french catalogue and they make no difference either apart from some print differences.
If your French is up to it the page below may be helpful.
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Thank you gentlemen.
Here is the detail with the most complete inner frame line. Would this be a 119a then? There are still some small breaks in the line, and I am wondering if that is just a printing aberration or an actual broken line.
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I believe this is a Type I stamp:
It's a little tired but it shows the detail around the bottom of the letter P:
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"There are still some small breaks in the line, and I am wondering if that is just a printing aberration or an actual broken line."
I think it is a printing aberration, possibly dust caused...but I am guessing!
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Could any of these be a 119a? How do you identify a 119a?
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re: Mouchon - The Rights of Man - How do I determine if I have a 119a?
According to Y&T there are two types of the 25c. type 1 (#114) and type 2 (#118)
Type 2 has gaps in the frame under the numeral so it could be the fourth stamp you show (but I am not certain..could be a spec of dust that caused the gap of your fourth stamp).
There are several varieties of the numeral separately printed as noted by Y&T: numeral outside the box (114a), missing numeral (114b), inverted numeral (114c) as well as an imperf (#114d).
According to Y&T type 1 was printed in two passes, while type 2 was printed in a single pass. The 10c and 25c are the only stamps available in both type 1 and type 2.
rrr...
The numerals for the type 1 (2 pass printing) can fall shifted in the box, but some are also well centered, so it is better to rely on the gaps in the frame for identification.
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re: Mouchon - The Rights of Man - How do I determine if I have a 119a?
Hi smaugie,
That's an interesting puzzle!
I suspect these are all Sc. #119a.
However, it's a little confusing comparing different catalogues.
According to SG,
the innermost of the two inner frame lines ...
SG 298 (figure of value inserted at a second printing) ... is always continuous.
SG 302 (entire stamp printed at one time) ... is interrupted
The "innermost frame line" here is the one immediately to the right of the large figure 5.
These correspond to what Maury calls Type 1 and Type 2 respectively:
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re: Mouchon - The Rights of Man - How do I determine if I have a 119a?
Hi,
It is difficult to tell 119 and 119a apart.
However, in my SG France specialised catalogue Scott # 119a is SG 298 and Scott 119 is not listed at all as a 1900 issue.
I checked it on my Ceres french catalogue and they make no difference either apart from some print differences.
If your French is up to it the page below may be helpful.
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re: Mouchon - The Rights of Man - How do I determine if I have a 119a?
Thank you gentlemen.
Here is the detail with the most complete inner frame line. Would this be a 119a then? There are still some small breaks in the line, and I am wondering if that is just a printing aberration or an actual broken line.
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re: Mouchon - The Rights of Man - How do I determine if I have a 119a?
I believe this is a Type I stamp:
It's a little tired but it shows the detail around the bottom of the letter P:
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"There are still some small breaks in the line, and I am wondering if that is just a printing aberration or an actual broken line."
I think it is a printing aberration, possibly dust caused...but I am guessing!
rrr....
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