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This isn't an attempt to discuss the controversies about how we got here. I'm just concerned how much of what we've come to enjoy about this hobby is going to be lost.
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As we are communicating right now, hobbies will continue with the help of the Internet. We will communicate online and make purchases from websites. We will use media such as video and live streaming for seminars and to share information. Clubs are meeting online with Zoom and other meeting software. I was in a Zoom meeting Friday evening with guys from my model club.
Note that the Internet has saved some of our dying hobbies by connecting people in distant places already. It will get us through this horrible era.
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I'm reminded of the conversations that took place when the stamp stores of Nassau st. in N.Y.C. closed up. Much the same conversation. The death of the hobby was forecast, and the demise of the hobby forever.
And here we are, many years later, with another threat on the horizon. Yet our club has thrived has it not? And we have continued collecting and improving our holdings do we not? And we have made a bunch of friends along the way. And we continue to do so.
And I believe I have stated the obvious, to folks who already know all that. My apologies for that, and thanks for the patience.
Best,
Dan C.
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Reports i hear are that dealers are busy,something i am NOT going to lose sleep over.
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Those dealers who, in one way or another, use the internet as a sales channel, will certainly not complain. All pastimes, whether crocheting, jigsaw puzzles or stamp collecting are much more popular these days, because there is not much else to do for people. At least not outside. Bars, restaurants, cinemas, theatres, concert halls: everything is closed and shopping is also limited. You can't go to the beaches or the swimming pool, so all that's left is home improvement, gardening or other hobbies. Most people get sick and tired of Netflix after a while... so as far as stamp collecting and stamp dealers are concerned: I am not that worried.
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Pity people who don’t have a hobby. They are climbing up the walls right about now!
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Like my sister ? their hobby was going out to eat and travelling.
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The most likely-to-be-true thing I have heard about the impact of the pandemic is that crises do not change the future so much as they accelerate the future.
The APS is a good example; "going digital" has been an agenda item for awhile, but no one would have predicted in December that, within four months, we'd see real-time "town hall meetings" archived in a YouTube channel.
My guess is that the vast majority of dealers will be dealing because they will have the same (or fewer) occupational choices than they had back when they decided to be dealing.
While a few might decide to take a loan and get a Bachelor's in Nursing, I would not whip out too many fingers to get ready to count them.
At the end of 2020, the hobby will look like it was going to look at the end of 2022.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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02:13:32am
But we are only considering th long term effects on our hobby or hobbies?
What about travel ?
One of my grand daughters usually spends the school year with her mom
in Fort Worth, Texas, and vacations in Las Vegas with my son and his
wife. Up to this X-mas it was just a matter of one bring her to the
airport to see her off,and the other being at the destination terminal.
Last weekend my other son drove halfway to meet her and her mom, bringing
her back here til her dad can drive from Las Vegas to take her back there
for the summer. No way are putting hr in a aluminum can with potentially
infected people for an hour and a half flight.
This summer my son was taking wife and his to Ireland and Scotland for a
long vacation trip tracing both the Irish and Scot ancestries and seeing
the sights shown in the "Outlander" stories. At first they thought they
would hold the plans in abeyance til the panic (hoax) mitigated. But now
they feel that flying anywhere is out and the chance of being trapped
there should things flare up again have put those plans off, probably
for the duration.
Schools are dealing with the problems and opportunities of new on-line
programs. Will all these big buildings ever be full of half naked teens
running almost amuck and sitting shoulder to shoulder again be viable ?
What about sports, professional and high school or college ?
Who dares to speculate ?
There are no right answers yet, we do not know, just ideas.
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02:28:01am
One more thought
I hope the closing of some industries and limited use of
autos, trucks and even trains, have its effect on the
atmosphere these last few weeks have opened even the most
doctrinaire minds to the amount of air pollution we are
not currently dumping into the air we breathe. Maybe we
can save the planet in time.
How about some wild and open suggestions on that subject.
How do these thoughts connect with philately ???
Well, I personally think that people who are stampers
have a better field of accumulated knowledge about the
world and its inhabitants, and might just be able to
apply all that brain power to the world's problems in
the effort to save our precious little slips of paper.
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"At the end of 2020, the hobby will look like it was going to look at the end of 2022. "
Bingo! Bill Gates was just on TV discussing this. Right now Microsoft stock is at same price as in December, before this mess! People and businesses are adapting more to electronic and computer than before. How many people have never done a Zoom Meeting before now? In January these folks had never heard of Zoom!
Just like Y2K (remember that?) made business update obsolete computer systems, the current situation will cause businesses to adapt to online transactions for the future.
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" I'm just concerned how much of what we've come to enjoy about this hobby is going to be lost. "
If the pandemic does not lead to the actual destruction of collectible material like a house fire would, I would not be so concerned with the impacts to the hobby. It may take a while for the supply chains (philatelic businesses) to recover or new ones to be established. Still if demand is there and stamps are not destroyed, we should do fine.
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My wife is a school principal and districts are anticipating a 20-30% drop in enrollment which means a 20-30% drop in funding which leads to a 20-30% reduction in faculty/staff.
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In terms of philatelic impact?
1. Financial health of Amos Media (Scott owners) and Stanley Gibbons and other catalog publishers? For example, do you think a US specialist group could produce a similar work?
2. Financial health of philatelic suppliers for mounts, stock pages (above plus Prinz, etc)?
3. Financial health of stamp societies like APS (a lot of their income is not just membership)?
4. Auction houses?
5. Show dealers that do not have an internet presence? Many are older to may limited there too and shows? What would exhibitors do if it were not for the show dealers paying a lot of costs?
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I won't be surprised to see a break in the supply chain in the coming weeks for philatelic goods originating in Europe; I especially am concerned about the supply of mounts- nearly all are made in Germany. I've quietly been stocking up on those I need. It is already difficult to order albums/supplements from suppliers in Europe. I feel sorry for those show dealers who have never tried to establish an internet presence some won't survive this.
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You may find that the show dealers will survive as they will have a core of "regulars" that they deal with through mail order.
No one could have survived this long relying on just shows.
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I have to wonder how many dealers are going to fade away due to what's happening? Same for clubs. I assume many will reconstitute afterwards but many won't. We have one storefront dealer near me and they were struggling before. Shows are being hard hit along with the dealers that usually are there. Shows may be awhile coming back, a bunch of folks sitting a foot or so apart at crowded tables going through boxes of 102 cards is not something we're going to be seeing for quite awhile, IMO. I've sent want lists to a couple show dealers and received good service. If you have a favorite, this would be the time to do that.
This isn't an attempt to discuss the controversies about how we got here. I'm just concerned how much of what we've come to enjoy about this hobby is going to be lost.
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re: Pandemic - Long Term Effects?
As we are communicating right now, hobbies will continue with the help of the Internet. We will communicate online and make purchases from websites. We will use media such as video and live streaming for seminars and to share information. Clubs are meeting online with Zoom and other meeting software. I was in a Zoom meeting Friday evening with guys from my model club.
Note that the Internet has saved some of our dying hobbies by connecting people in distant places already. It will get us through this horrible era.
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re: Pandemic - Long Term Effects?
I'm reminded of the conversations that took place when the stamp stores of Nassau st. in N.Y.C. closed up. Much the same conversation. The death of the hobby was forecast, and the demise of the hobby forever.
And here we are, many years later, with another threat on the horizon. Yet our club has thrived has it not? And we have continued collecting and improving our holdings do we not? And we have made a bunch of friends along the way. And we continue to do so.
And I believe I have stated the obvious, to folks who already know all that. My apologies for that, and thanks for the patience.
Best,
Dan C.
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re: Pandemic - Long Term Effects?
Reports i hear are that dealers are busy,something i am NOT going to lose sleep over.
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re: Pandemic - Long Term Effects?
Those dealers who, in one way or another, use the internet as a sales channel, will certainly not complain. All pastimes, whether crocheting, jigsaw puzzles or stamp collecting are much more popular these days, because there is not much else to do for people. At least not outside. Bars, restaurants, cinemas, theatres, concert halls: everything is closed and shopping is also limited. You can't go to the beaches or the swimming pool, so all that's left is home improvement, gardening or other hobbies. Most people get sick and tired of Netflix after a while... so as far as stamp collecting and stamp dealers are concerned: I am not that worried.
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Pity people who don’t have a hobby. They are climbing up the walls right about now!
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Like my sister ? their hobby was going out to eat and travelling.
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re: Pandemic - Long Term Effects?
The most likely-to-be-true thing I have heard about the impact of the pandemic is that crises do not change the future so much as they accelerate the future.
The APS is a good example; "going digital" has been an agenda item for awhile, but no one would have predicted in December that, within four months, we'd see real-time "town hall meetings" archived in a YouTube channel.
My guess is that the vast majority of dealers will be dealing because they will have the same (or fewer) occupational choices than they had back when they decided to be dealing.
While a few might decide to take a loan and get a Bachelor's in Nursing, I would not whip out too many fingers to get ready to count them.
At the end of 2020, the hobby will look like it was going to look at the end of 2022.
Cheers,
/s/ ikeyPikey
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
23 Apr 2020
02:13:32am
re: Pandemic - Long Term Effects?
But we are only considering th long term effects on our hobby or hobbies?
What about travel ?
One of my grand daughters usually spends the school year with her mom
in Fort Worth, Texas, and vacations in Las Vegas with my son and his
wife. Up to this X-mas it was just a matter of one bring her to the
airport to see her off,and the other being at the destination terminal.
Last weekend my other son drove halfway to meet her and her mom, bringing
her back here til her dad can drive from Las Vegas to take her back there
for the summer. No way are putting hr in a aluminum can with potentially
infected people for an hour and a half flight.
This summer my son was taking wife and his to Ireland and Scotland for a
long vacation trip tracing both the Irish and Scot ancestries and seeing
the sights shown in the "Outlander" stories. At first they thought they
would hold the plans in abeyance til the panic (hoax) mitigated. But now
they feel that flying anywhere is out and the chance of being trapped
there should things flare up again have put those plans off, probably
for the duration.
Schools are dealing with the problems and opportunities of new on-line
programs. Will all these big buildings ever be full of half naked teens
running almost amuck and sitting shoulder to shoulder again be viable ?
What about sports, professional and high school or college ?
Who dares to speculate ?
There are no right answers yet, we do not know, just ideas.
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Silence in the face of adversity is the father of complicity and collusion, the first cousins of conspiracy..
23 Apr 2020
02:28:01am
re: Pandemic - Long Term Effects?
One more thought
I hope the closing of some industries and limited use of
autos, trucks and even trains, have its effect on the
atmosphere these last few weeks have opened even the most
doctrinaire minds to the amount of air pollution we are
not currently dumping into the air we breathe. Maybe we
can save the planet in time.
How about some wild and open suggestions on that subject.
How do these thoughts connect with philately ???
Well, I personally think that people who are stampers
have a better field of accumulated knowledge about the
world and its inhabitants, and might just be able to
apply all that brain power to the world's problems in
the effort to save our precious little slips of paper.
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re: Pandemic - Long Term Effects?
"At the end of 2020, the hobby will look like it was going to look at the end of 2022. "
Bingo! Bill Gates was just on TV discussing this. Right now Microsoft stock is at same price as in December, before this mess! People and businesses are adapting more to electronic and computer than before. How many people have never done a Zoom Meeting before now? In January these folks had never heard of Zoom!
Just like Y2K (remember that?) made business update obsolete computer systems, the current situation will cause businesses to adapt to online transactions for the future.
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re: Pandemic - Long Term Effects?
" I'm just concerned how much of what we've come to enjoy about this hobby is going to be lost. "
If the pandemic does not lead to the actual destruction of collectible material like a house fire would, I would not be so concerned with the impacts to the hobby. It may take a while for the supply chains (philatelic businesses) to recover or new ones to be established. Still if demand is there and stamps are not destroyed, we should do fine.
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My wife is a school principal and districts are anticipating a 20-30% drop in enrollment which means a 20-30% drop in funding which leads to a 20-30% reduction in faculty/staff.
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In terms of philatelic impact?
1. Financial health of Amos Media (Scott owners) and Stanley Gibbons and other catalog publishers? For example, do you think a US specialist group could produce a similar work?
2. Financial health of philatelic suppliers for mounts, stock pages (above plus Prinz, etc)?
3. Financial health of stamp societies like APS (a lot of their income is not just membership)?
4. Auction houses?
5. Show dealers that do not have an internet presence? Many are older to may limited there too and shows? What would exhibitors do if it were not for the show dealers paying a lot of costs?
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re: Pandemic - Long Term Effects?
I won't be surprised to see a break in the supply chain in the coming weeks for philatelic goods originating in Europe; I especially am concerned about the supply of mounts- nearly all are made in Germany. I've quietly been stocking up on those I need. It is already difficult to order albums/supplements from suppliers in Europe. I feel sorry for those show dealers who have never tried to establish an internet presence some won't survive this.
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You may find that the show dealers will survive as they will have a core of "regulars" that they deal with through mail order.
No one could have survived this long relying on just shows.
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