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abhist

19 Apr 2020
02:45:31am
I came into possession a set of new stamps, but could not identify a few of them. Most of the stamps in the lot were from Europe, with a few from Asia and Americas, if that helps in localizing the search. Would appreciate it if someone would be kind enough to help recognize the country and if possible, the year when they were issued (if not on the stamp). Thank you.

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jmh67

19 Apr 2020
04:34:29am
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I'll give it a try:

1. a Finnish patriotic or charity label
2. Haiti postage stamp
3. label of unknown (to me) origin, certainly no postage stamp. Perhaps from China.
4. probably a fiscal or a railway stamp
5. Ethiopia postage stamp
6. Russian armies (civil war era)
7. Probably United Kingdom postage stamp

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19 Apr 2020
04:46:58am
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That about sums it, or them, up.

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abhist

19 Apr 2020
04:49:06am
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Thank you for your reply/answers. For 3) I thought it was cut from a postcard (cut square). Am attaching a pic of the back side - even so, cannot say for sure.

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19 Apr 2020
08:47:18am
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That's a very nice Finnish label! Happy

It says:

Suomen Messut

Helsingissä

27 Kesäk. - 6 Heinäk. 1920


which means:

Finnish Trade Fair

in Helsinki

27th June - 5th July 1920


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19 Apr 2020
08:55:50am
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

The Belgium and Luxembourg revenue is interesting as it's a joint issue by the two countries from 1926 reflecting their customs union as part of the Belgium-Luxembourg Economic Union of 1922.

This one is the lowest value in a set of twelve for gathering statistics on general commercial goods passing through customs.

These also exist in other colours for particular goods, blue for tobacco and violet for sparkling wines.


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19 Apr 2020
09:10:44am
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

The Ethipian stamp is an unissued postage due from 1896 that was released in Europe, SG D14 / Scott #J7.

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19 Apr 2020
10:34:27am
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

The last one is the half penny Queen Victoria from Great Britain.

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simothecat

19 Apr 2020
12:58:34pm
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Its a small point, but I believe that the Belgium and Luxembourg revenue stamp is from the issue of 1934 (value printed separately).

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19 Apr 2020
02:47:06pm
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Hi Jan,

I'm no expert in these but I still thinks it's from the 1926 set.

They both have the value printed in a separate operation but in the 1934 set this is in a darker shade.

The 1934 stamps also have black serial numbers.

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simothecat

19 Apr 2020
03:08:12pm
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Hi Nigel,

I'm not an expert either. I think you are correct.

Jan

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19 Apr 2020
03:40:06pm
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

The third stamp down, the dove on a soldier's helmet, is a cut out from a Japanese military mail (soldier's mail) postal card.

I have a couple around here somewhere, but, until they ever surface, here's an image I borrowed from someone's listing on eBay.

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abhist

19 Apr 2020
04:13:25pm
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Thanks for all the clarifications!

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Jeredutt3

19 Apr 2020
09:25:53pm
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

well that was a fun thread.. love the knowledge around here.. I knew 3 of them so I am getting better ! LOL

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20 Apr 2020
07:32:23pm
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I agree....fun!

And I only knew one!

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21 Apr 2020
01:34:44pm
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

I know I'm a bit late with this, been a bit busy.

The last one is GB Queen Victoria 1870 ½d either SG 48 Rose or 49 Rose Red. Can't tell the colour due to the heavy cancellation, which I believe is Billericay, Essex, un-boxed number 72 in oval series of lines.

It is Scott # 58. My old Scotts 2008 gives the value as US$17 but would be more if you could see the plate number.

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michael78651

21 Apr 2020
11:46:33pm
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

#6, the Russian civil war issue is a forgery.

The white areas in the chevron should be white and clear of any blue. The cross below it should be complete and symmetric.

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abhist

22 Apr 2020
03:35:21pm
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

>#6, the Russian civil war issue is a forgery.

>The white areas in the chevron should be white and clear of any blue. The cross below it should be complete and symmetric.

Thanks for the details. That is disappointing though. I do have a few more of same era (if I a not wrong), hopefully not all of them are forgeries.

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michael78651

23 Apr 2020
02:44:59pm
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Forgeries are very common and often found in older collections.

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lerivage

29 Apr 2020
08:45:21am
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Is there a knowledgable chap that can give a hint on what's written on the Japanese military mail? If it is just greetings or more history related. As well should I understand the date as 1918?

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29 Apr 2020
10:55:07am
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Anyone who collects Russia or Poland, especially early stamps or BOB, probably has some fakes or forgeries in their collection. For these countries Scott's comment for some areas is "forgeries abound". For my early overprinted Poland stamps I basically look at them as album fillers since it is basically impossible to identify the forgeries. There are some articles and/or books you can purchase but they are very hard to find and some need translation. This has been discussed in several other threads. Stay safe.

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29 Apr 2020
08:44:37pm
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

It does appear that the date on the card is July 7th, 1918.

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Benque

29 Apr 2020
10:35:40pm
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Japanese date? Can't recall the conversion to Western date method.

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jmh67

30 Apr 2020
01:56:23am
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

The year in the Japanese dates is traditionally counted from the beginning of the reign of the current emperor, i.e. year 1 starts with the accession to the throne, and the motto of the current reign is added. However, since 1873 days and months have been counted according to the Gregorian calendar, so that the Japanese year number changes on January 1, too. More on Wikipedia: "Japanese calendar".

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30 Apr 2020
09:35:10am
re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

This is a repeat of a post of mine from a few years ago.

If the date on this card is accurate in Japanese format, I would say that the design supports the idea that it matches a western date of 1943.


"Japan of course, except that they frequently and without warning use the year of the emperor's reign instead of the calendar year. "



There is a logic to it. If the cancel is in Japanese (i.e. has Japanese characters in it), it will be in the "Emperor year" format and the format is yy-mm-dd. For modern stamps (1925-1988), just add 1925 to the year i.e. 55.10.02 is is Oct 2, 1980. Since 1988, add 1988.

Here is the list of the recent Imperial changes and the factor to add

1868 Meiji add 1867
1912 Taisho add 1911
1926 Showa add 1925
1989 Heisei add 1988

If the cancel is in English, the format is dd-mm-yy

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December 17, 1995 (dates in both formats)

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November 27, 1956

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December 1, 1959

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abhist

19 Apr 2020
02:45:31am

I came into possession a set of new stamps, but could not identify a few of them. Most of the stamps in the lot were from Europe, with a few from Asia and Americas, if that helps in localizing the search. Would appreciate it if someone would be kind enough to help recognize the country and if possible, the year when they were issued (if not on the stamp). Thank you.

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7) The cancel is too bold to make out the stamp

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jmh67

19 Apr 2020
04:34:29am

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

I'll give it a try:

1. a Finnish patriotic or charity label
2. Haiti postage stamp
3. label of unknown (to me) origin, certainly no postage stamp. Perhaps from China.
4. probably a fiscal or a railway stamp
5. Ethiopia postage stamp
6. Russian armies (civil war era)
7. Probably United Kingdom postage stamp

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19 Apr 2020
04:46:58am

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

That about sums it, or them, up.

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abhist

19 Apr 2020
04:49:06am

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Thank you for your reply/answers. For 3) I thought it was cut from a postcard (cut square). Am attaching a pic of the back side - even so, cannot say for sure.

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nigelc

19 Apr 2020
08:47:18am

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

That's a very nice Finnish label! Happy

It says:

Suomen Messut

Helsingissä

27 Kesäk. - 6 Heinäk. 1920


which means:

Finnish Trade Fair

in Helsinki

27th June - 5th July 1920


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nigelc

19 Apr 2020
08:55:50am

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

The Belgium and Luxembourg revenue is interesting as it's a joint issue by the two countries from 1926 reflecting their customs union as part of the Belgium-Luxembourg Economic Union of 1922.

This one is the lowest value in a set of twelve for gathering statistics on general commercial goods passing through customs.

These also exist in other colours for particular goods, blue for tobacco and violet for sparkling wines.


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nigelc

19 Apr 2020
09:10:44am

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

The Ethipian stamp is an unissued postage due from 1896 that was released in Europe, SG D14 / Scott #J7.

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19 Apr 2020
10:34:27am

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The last one is the half penny Queen Victoria from Great Britain.

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simothecat

19 Apr 2020
12:58:34pm

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Its a small point, but I believe that the Belgium and Luxembourg revenue stamp is from the issue of 1934 (value printed separately).

Jan

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19 Apr 2020
02:47:06pm

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Hi Jan,

I'm no expert in these but I still thinks it's from the 1926 set.

They both have the value printed in a separate operation but in the 1934 set this is in a darker shade.

The 1934 stamps also have black serial numbers.

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simothecat

19 Apr 2020
03:08:12pm

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Hi Nigel,

I'm not an expert either. I think you are correct.

Jan

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19 Apr 2020
03:40:06pm

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

The third stamp down, the dove on a soldier's helmet, is a cut out from a Japanese military mail (soldier's mail) postal card.

I have a couple around here somewhere, but, until they ever surface, here's an image I borrowed from someone's listing on eBay.

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abhist

19 Apr 2020
04:13:25pm

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Thanks for all the clarifications!

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Jeredutt3

19 Apr 2020
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well that was a fun thread.. love the knowledge around here.. I knew 3 of them so I am getting better ! LOL

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20 Apr 2020
07:32:23pm

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I agree....fun!

And I only knew one!

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21 Apr 2020
01:34:44pm

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

I know I'm a bit late with this, been a bit busy.

The last one is GB Queen Victoria 1870 ½d either SG 48 Rose or 49 Rose Red. Can't tell the colour due to the heavy cancellation, which I believe is Billericay, Essex, un-boxed number 72 in oval series of lines.

It is Scott # 58. My old Scotts 2008 gives the value as US$17 but would be more if you could see the plate number.

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michael78651

21 Apr 2020
11:46:33pm

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

#6, the Russian civil war issue is a forgery.

The white areas in the chevron should be white and clear of any blue. The cross below it should be complete and symmetric.

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abhist

22 Apr 2020
03:35:21pm

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

>#6, the Russian civil war issue is a forgery.

>The white areas in the chevron should be white and clear of any blue. The cross below it should be complete and symmetric.

Thanks for the details. That is disappointing though. I do have a few more of same era (if I a not wrong), hopefully not all of them are forgeries.

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michael78651

23 Apr 2020
02:44:59pm

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Forgeries are very common and often found in older collections.

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lerivage

29 Apr 2020
08:45:21am

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Is there a knowledgable chap that can give a hint on what's written on the Japanese military mail? If it is just greetings or more history related. As well should I understand the date as 1918?

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re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Anyone who collects Russia or Poland, especially early stamps or BOB, probably has some fakes or forgeries in their collection. For these countries Scott's comment for some areas is "forgeries abound". For my early overprinted Poland stamps I basically look at them as album fillers since it is basically impossible to identify the forgeries. There are some articles and/or books you can purchase but they are very hard to find and some need translation. This has been discussed in several other threads. Stay safe.

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29 Apr 2020
08:44:37pm

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

It does appear that the date on the card is July 7th, 1918.

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Benque

29 Apr 2020
10:35:40pm

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

Japanese date? Can't recall the conversion to Western date method.

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jmh67

30 Apr 2020
01:56:23am

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

The year in the Japanese dates is traditionally counted from the beginning of the reign of the current emperor, i.e. year 1 starts with the accession to the throne, and the motto of the current reign is added. However, since 1873 days and months have been counted according to the Gregorian calendar, so that the Japanese year number changes on January 1, too. More on Wikipedia: "Japanese calendar".

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30 Apr 2020
09:35:10am

re: Need help identifying stamps (from a mostly Europe lot)

This is a repeat of a post of mine from a few years ago.

If the date on this card is accurate in Japanese format, I would say that the design supports the idea that it matches a western date of 1943.


"Japan of course, except that they frequently and without warning use the year of the emperor's reign instead of the calendar year. "



There is a logic to it. If the cancel is in Japanese (i.e. has Japanese characters in it), it will be in the "Emperor year" format and the format is yy-mm-dd. For modern stamps (1925-1988), just add 1925 to the year i.e. 55.10.02 is is Oct 2, 1980. Since 1988, add 1988.

Here is the list of the recent Imperial changes and the factor to add

1868 Meiji add 1867
1912 Taisho add 1911
1926 Showa add 1925
1989 Heisei add 1988

If the cancel is in English, the format is dd-mm-yy

Samples

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January 31, 1927

Image Not Found
December 17, 1995 (dates in both formats)

Image Not Found
November 27, 1956

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December 1, 1959

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