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The overprint makes them local occupation stamps. There are many different types and towns. Michel mentions them. However, counterfeit overprints are all over the place.
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Well BigDaddyDave,
Read the following post and probably it will answer your question.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=24476#173422
And just what michael78651 said, there are a lot of counterfeits !!!!!!
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I think these are your stamps. I don't know German, but the stamps probably (90%) have an illegal or fake overprint
In a HockeyNut post they are two stamps (Leipzig Messe) with the same type of overprint.Don't know if they are certified(genuine overprint)
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Well Gerom,
"Alle sondermarken der Leipziger Herbstmesse 1947 sind als echt bisher nicht vorgelegen"
All special stamps of the Leipzig Autumn Fair in 1947 are not yet been certified as genuine
Mine too, are not certified.
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Hi HockeyNut,
I do not understand.
For me Google translate from German into English:
"All special stamps ...... are not yet available as genuine" ????
What to understand? An as genuine stamp has not yet been found ?? but then who knows what a genuine stamp looks like??
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Hi gerom,
Yes, Michel is saying that none of the 1947 Leipzig Fair set has been identified as genuine.
If they were any genuine examples they would look like very much the two in HockeyNut's scan.
However, Michel does list the 1948 Leipzig Fair set in the catalogue as shown in your scan.
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Gerom, I will put it in other words :
That is to say that of stamps that have ever been offered for inspection, there is still none that has been inspected as genuine.
Understand it now?
"but then who knows what a genuine stamp looks like??"
There you have a point. I do not know.
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Thank you nigelc and HockeyNut
The sale price is one of the factors determining the quota in the catalogs.
Curious how Michel calculated the quotas. Based on transactions with non-certified stamps? Did you send the stamps to certification,HockeyNut? (they have a quota of around 1000 Euros) ... couldn't they certify them? Why?
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Well, That certainly started a discussion! I have plenty of the more common Berlin overprints but because I didn't see these Hanover Fair issues listed, I just didn't connect them with the others. I'm assuming these are counterfeit and saving them as a curiosity. Thanks for all the feedback! Take Care, Big Daddy Dave
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04:40:25pm
I recently acquired a small collection of world-wide stamps dating ca. 1962 or earlier and I've come across a few items that I either can't find in my Scott's catalog or I just can't identify. These Hanover Fair stamps have a Berlin imprint. Is it just a cancellation or is it something else? Couldn't find it with the imprint in Scotts. It probably isn't worth much but I would like to know if its something unusual or that was used for something other than postage per se. Any input will be appreciated. Take Care, Big Daddy Dave
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02:51:46am
re: Help with Identification...
The overprint makes them local occupation stamps. There are many different types and towns. Michel mentions them. However, counterfeit overprints are all over the place.
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re: Help with Identification...
Well BigDaddyDave,
Read the following post and probably it will answer your question.
https://stamporama.com/discboard/disc_main.php?action=20&id=24476#173422
And just what michael78651 said, there are a lot of counterfeits !!!!!!
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05:07:08am
re: Help with Identification...
I think these are your stamps. I don't know German, but the stamps probably (90%) have an illegal or fake overprint
In a HockeyNut post they are two stamps (Leipzig Messe) with the same type of overprint.Don't know if they are certified(genuine overprint)
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re: Help with Identification...
Well Gerom,
"Alle sondermarken der Leipziger Herbstmesse 1947 sind als echt bisher nicht vorgelegen"
All special stamps of the Leipzig Autumn Fair in 1947 are not yet been certified as genuine
Mine too, are not certified.
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10:12:13am
re: Help with Identification...
Hi HockeyNut,
I do not understand.
For me Google translate from German into English:
"All special stamps ...... are not yet available as genuine" ????
What to understand? An as genuine stamp has not yet been found ?? but then who knows what a genuine stamp looks like??
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re: Help with Identification...
Hi gerom,
Yes, Michel is saying that none of the 1947 Leipzig Fair set has been identified as genuine.
If they were any genuine examples they would look like very much the two in HockeyNut's scan.
However, Michel does list the 1948 Leipzig Fair set in the catalogue as shown in your scan.
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re: Help with Identification...
Gerom, I will put it in other words :
That is to say that of stamps that have ever been offered for inspection, there is still none that has been inspected as genuine.
Understand it now?
"but then who knows what a genuine stamp looks like??"
There you have a point. I do not know.
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01:39:41am
re: Help with Identification...
Thank you nigelc and HockeyNut
The sale price is one of the factors determining the quota in the catalogs.
Curious how Michel calculated the quotas. Based on transactions with non-certified stamps? Did you send the stamps to certification,HockeyNut? (they have a quota of around 1000 Euros) ... couldn't they certify them? Why?
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10:04:07pm
re: Help with Identification...
Well, That certainly started a discussion! I have plenty of the more common Berlin overprints but because I didn't see these Hanover Fair issues listed, I just didn't connect them with the others. I'm assuming these are counterfeit and saving them as a curiosity. Thanks for all the feedback! Take Care, Big Daddy Dave
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