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I see that term in Scott and other catalogs as well;
"....DANGEROUS forgeries..."
It always makes me laugh out loud!
"Watch out! Those forgeries can be DANGEROUS - you might get a paper cut! Or they could be laced with cyanide! Or....or....or...."
Very poor word choice.
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A bit like the computer error message from early days of the PC. "A fatal error has occurred." I do remember the frustrations at the screen in those days, but ...fatal?
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Does this mean there are safe forgeries?
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"A bit like the computer error message from early days of the PC. "A fatal error has occurred." I do remember the frustrations at the screen in those days, but ...fatal? "
I believe that Apple had a little bomb if my memory is correct
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Is there a vaccine for that?
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"Does this mean there are safe forgeries?"
A Safe is where you put the genuine article
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_philatelic_forgeries
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Then again a dangerous forgery might look like one of these
Anyone want to pick it out and describe what makes it a forgery??
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Hi Harvey
Spotted your post when trawling through the site - must say haven't been that active here but just renewed my membership so hopefully a more regular visitor and contributor. Hope I have done this post correctly ;-) ????
My main stamp collecting interest is Russia (1858-1991) - also a member of the Rossica Society of Russian Philately organisation although I wouldn't claim to be an expert on Russia. However, I do have a pretty good collection including many Back of Book issues; cinderellas, revenues, Civil War, etc. I also designed and sell the Ruskystamps Russia stamp album pages (as PDFs now).
You don't say which Russia stamps catalogue you use but if its Scott #224 issue that you are referring to, SG #297, Zagorsky #081B - the RSFSR 1923 star overprint imperf. issues then YES these are very high CV. You certainly would want a copy with large imperf margins BUT as with so many Russia overprints, forgeries must surely exist although I have personally not read any article about the star overprints.
If you can find a copy of the "Russian Postage Stamps 1917–1923: Forgery Guide" by Dr RJ Ceresa this is best advice I can give you. I don't have a copy sorry.
As for me - I won't pay that much for any Russia overprints - too risky.
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08:08:12am
Nice to see another serious Russia collector out there! I collect up to 1985 and my basic Russia collection is getting there, I keep a want list and am missing about 140 stamps. I take the overprints with a grain of salt and will not pay a huge amount because of the huge number of fakes. I will never find #224, but if I ever do it has the center white area shifted just as the perforated version of the same stamp does. That's why the stamp must have good margins. Scott's is the catalog that says "Dangerous Forgeries Exist"! Scary 
My Russia BOB is filling in slowly, the damn stuff is hard to find! I've actually picked up most of what I have on this site. Ian's come through with several pieces as have a few others at times. I also picked up a good grouping of early Russian Ukraine on E-Bay from one of the few sellers I trust, DanTheStampMan. He usually sells collections but I did pick up a really nice copy of US #1 from him for a very fair price.
I've been picking up quite a few of the newer (up to 1985) souvenir sheets lately. They tend to sell for reasonable prices. Soon I will have most of the affordable stuff I'm missing! Then it slows down.
Thanks for answering the post and good luck with the Russia collection!
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05 Apr 2020
11:47:19am
I was checking out my collection of early Russia which except for the first few pages is remarkably complete. I got to a page in my Minkus album that was complete except for #224 for which I had written in a value of $10 000 and the comment "dangerous digital forgeries exist". It is in the middle of a very affordable series so obviously that particular overprint was issued in a very limited number. Does anyone out there who happens to be a serious Russia collector have a copy of this stamp? Also, is it like a lot of early Russia and Poland where it is basically impossible to tell the difference? Any early Russia or Poland overprint I buy is taken with a grain of salt so it was be bought cheaply! Any comment from any other collectors from this area?
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re: DANGEROUS FORGERIES
I see that term in Scott and other catalogs as well;
"....DANGEROUS forgeries..."
It always makes me laugh out loud!
"Watch out! Those forgeries can be DANGEROUS - you might get a paper cut! Or they could be laced with cyanide! Or....or....or...."
Very poor word choice.
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A bit like the computer error message from early days of the PC. "A fatal error has occurred." I do remember the frustrations at the screen in those days, but ...fatal?
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Does this mean there are safe forgeries?
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08:04:35am
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"A bit like the computer error message from early days of the PC. "A fatal error has occurred." I do remember the frustrations at the screen in those days, but ...fatal? "
I believe that Apple had a little bomb if my memory is correct
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Is there a vaccine for that?
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"Does this mean there are safe forgeries?"
A Safe is where you put the genuine article
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_philatelic_forgeries
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(Modified by Moderator on 2021-04-21 06:04:00)
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Then again a dangerous forgery might look like one of these
Anyone want to pick it out and describe what makes it a forgery??
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re: DANGEROUS FORGERIES
Hi Harvey
Spotted your post when trawling through the site - must say haven't been that active here but just renewed my membership so hopefully a more regular visitor and contributor. Hope I have done this post correctly ;-) ????
My main stamp collecting interest is Russia (1858-1991) - also a member of the Rossica Society of Russian Philately organisation although I wouldn't claim to be an expert on Russia. However, I do have a pretty good collection including many Back of Book issues; cinderellas, revenues, Civil War, etc. I also designed and sell the Ruskystamps Russia stamp album pages (as PDFs now).
You don't say which Russia stamps catalogue you use but if its Scott #224 issue that you are referring to, SG #297, Zagorsky #081B - the RSFSR 1923 star overprint imperf. issues then YES these are very high CV. You certainly would want a copy with large imperf margins BUT as with so many Russia overprints, forgeries must surely exist although I have personally not read any article about the star overprints.
If you can find a copy of the "Russian Postage Stamps 1917–1923: Forgery Guide" by Dr RJ Ceresa this is best advice I can give you. I don't have a copy sorry.
As for me - I won't pay that much for any Russia overprints - too risky.
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08 May 2021
08:08:12am
re: DANGEROUS FORGERIES
Nice to see another serious Russia collector out there! I collect up to 1985 and my basic Russia collection is getting there, I keep a want list and am missing about 140 stamps. I take the overprints with a grain of salt and will not pay a huge amount because of the huge number of fakes. I will never find #224, but if I ever do it has the center white area shifted just as the perforated version of the same stamp does. That's why the stamp must have good margins. Scott's is the catalog that says "Dangerous Forgeries Exist"! Scary
My Russia BOB is filling in slowly, the damn stuff is hard to find! I've actually picked up most of what I have on this site. Ian's come through with several pieces as have a few others at times. I also picked up a good grouping of early Russian Ukraine on E-Bay from one of the few sellers I trust, DanTheStampMan. He usually sells collections but I did pick up a really nice copy of US #1 from him for a very fair price.
I've been picking up quite a few of the newer (up to 1985) souvenir sheets lately. They tend to sell for reasonable prices. Soon I will have most of the affordable stuff I'm missing! Then it slows down.
Thanks for answering the post and good luck with the Russia collection!
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