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Hello
I saw an interesting stamp in the list of auctions on the SOR.
It is a German stamp used in Turkey, Mi # 8 (from Mi # 48 with overprint)
In Michel specialized there are registered and quoted stamps that are not perforated on one side or more. I did not find anything for this stamp.
The first conclusion is that the perforations were cut on one side.
Looking more closely I noticed that on the horizontal are 13 holes drilled which corresponds to a normal stamp with the perforation of 13.5 on the horizontal.
At the stamps of this period, Michel cat. mentions that there are wider stamps (type B-larger than 21mm, type D-larger than 20.5 mm but both have 14 holes horizontally), which may lead to the conclusion that the stamp comes from these 2 types by cutting the perforation on one side.
The questions that must be addressed to the stamp owner is whether the perforation is 13.5 and what is the distance between the unperforated side and the edge of the perforation on the opposite side (x distance)
Not knowing the German may not have noticed the observation from the Michel catalog that the stamp may have a non-perforated side.
Thanks for any additions and clarifications.
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The cut edge looks a little wavy, like it was made by scissors. Your first conclusion may therefore be correct.
German stamps of that era were usually comb perforated. This means that a missing stroke of the perforation comb would result in half the stamp (one side and half of the two adjacent sides) being imperforate, not only just one side.
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I think this was a stamp I posted recently. If so, here’s some background.
I only have Scott’s regular catalogs, not specialized, nor Michel, so I couldn’t find any info on the straight edge. A Google search was also useless. I looked on the gum side as often when perfs are cut off there are still some signs that it was deliberately cut - and didn’t see anything. The straight edge looked more straight than wavy but that is to the naked eye, often there is a different perspective.
I concluded it may have come from a booklet but no idea if such things existed then.
Since I priced it very cheaply I’m now praying it is not something valuable. I’ll check to see if it was one of mine and if so, if it was sold.
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Ok, just confirmed it was one of mine. I thought I made a note about the straight edge and was happy to find out I did: “Straight edge on R-side (not sure if it is normal or altered).” It was actually the L-side but I have always had an issue with geography.
It had no bids so I put it on hold for now to see if there is more discussion.
Not sure if I will take the advice to do exacting measurements for a $2.25 stamp listed at $0.19 - but may do so if my insomnia acts up again. May put it back on active duty in a couple days depending on how the discussion goes.
BTW, I understand why some stamps are altered to appear as coils or imperfs - but would there be any benefit to someone cutting off the perfs on this stamp? If anything, I would think deliberate such tampering might reduce the value.
Curiously yours, Dave
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When I saw this stamp (Mi#48 overprinted) I thought about the width varieties (B, C, D, CE) that have an interesting quotation.
I was wrong, is a normal stamp with teeth cut on one side (I made a photo-crop with a stamp of mine)
There are German stamps cataloged for errors that may have an unperforated side. There is another type of perforation combined (K gez)in addition to that described by jmh67
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I'm still not sure what the deal is with this stamp, so I'm just putting it back into active status and will let "the market" decide...
Dave.
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I just made a bid. We'll see how it goes and if I win what I got!!! Cheers
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Ok Michel. Just remember to send me 10% if it turns out to be a rarity! 
Dave
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10:26:24am
Hello
I saw an interesting stamp in the list of auctions on the SOR.
It is a German stamp used in Turkey, Mi # 8 (from Mi # 48 with overprint)
In Michel specialized there are registered and quoted stamps that are not perforated on one side or more. I did not find anything for this stamp.
The first conclusion is that the perforations were cut on one side.
Looking more closely I noticed that on the horizontal are 13 holes drilled which corresponds to a normal stamp with the perforation of 13.5 on the horizontal.
At the stamps of this period, Michel cat. mentions that there are wider stamps (type B-larger than 21mm, type D-larger than 20.5 mm but both have 14 holes horizontally), which may lead to the conclusion that the stamp comes from these 2 types by cutting the perforation on one side.
The questions that must be addressed to the stamp owner is whether the perforation is 13.5 and what is the distance between the unperforated side and the edge of the perforation on the opposite side (x distance)
Not knowing the German may not have noticed the observation from the Michel catalog that the stamp may have a non-perforated side.
Thanks for any additions and clarifications.
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03:14:16pm
re: Help to Identify this stamp
The cut edge looks a little wavy, like it was made by scissors. Your first conclusion may therefore be correct.
German stamps of that era were usually comb perforated. This means that a missing stroke of the perforation comb would result in half the stamp (one side and half of the two adjacent sides) being imperforate, not only just one side.
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re: Help to Identify this stamp
I think this was a stamp I posted recently. If so, here’s some background.
I only have Scott’s regular catalogs, not specialized, nor Michel, so I couldn’t find any info on the straight edge. A Google search was also useless. I looked on the gum side as often when perfs are cut off there are still some signs that it was deliberately cut - and didn’t see anything. The straight edge looked more straight than wavy but that is to the naked eye, often there is a different perspective.
I concluded it may have come from a booklet but no idea if such things existed then.
Since I priced it very cheaply I’m now praying it is not something valuable. I’ll check to see if it was one of mine and if so, if it was sold.
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re: Help to Identify this stamp
Ok, just confirmed it was one of mine. I thought I made a note about the straight edge and was happy to find out I did: “Straight edge on R-side (not sure if it is normal or altered).” It was actually the L-side but I have always had an issue with geography.
It had no bids so I put it on hold for now to see if there is more discussion.
Not sure if I will take the advice to do exacting measurements for a $2.25 stamp listed at $0.19 - but may do so if my insomnia acts up again. May put it back on active duty in a couple days depending on how the discussion goes.
BTW, I understand why some stamps are altered to appear as coils or imperfs - but would there be any benefit to someone cutting off the perfs on this stamp? If anything, I would think deliberate such tampering might reduce the value.
Curiously yours, Dave
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03:09:34pm
re: Help to Identify this stamp
When I saw this stamp (Mi#48 overprinted) I thought about the width varieties (B, C, D, CE) that have an interesting quotation.
I was wrong, is a normal stamp with teeth cut on one side (I made a photo-crop with a stamp of mine)
There are German stamps cataloged for errors that may have an unperforated side. There is another type of perforation combined (K gez)in addition to that described by jmh67
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I'm still not sure what the deal is with this stamp, so I'm just putting it back into active status and will let "the market" decide...
Dave.
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10:53:37pm
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I just made a bid. We'll see how it goes and if I win what I got!!! Cheers
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Ok Michel. Just remember to send me 10% if it turns out to be a rarity!
Dave
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