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A wonderful find!
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Hello, I found online a document, a letter, archived at the University of Miami, addressed to a Juan Soler, of Matanzas. The letter is from 1891. Apparently this Juan Soler was a Count who was the VicePresident of the Civil Government of Matanzas, one of the six Cuban provinces. This was before the beginning of the War of Independence in 1895.
It would be interesting to find out if the addressee is the same Juan Soler y Morell, Count of Diana, Provincial VicePresident of Matanzas, who was involved in the building of a railroad extension in that province.
First Conde de la Diana, Juan Antonio Pablo Soler Morell, 1824 - 1908
Here's the link:
https://merrick.library.miami.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/chc0347/id/11671/rec/1
The postmark is from the city of Remedios one of the oldest settlements in Villa Clara.
Congratulations on such a wonderful find! 
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Thanks Harvey and Artstamp..we went to this annual sale and i did not really have high expectations...i added to my 1933 Chicago Century of Progress collection,my local Hudson valley collection with the Mount Beacon card. I climbed up the old track trail to mount Beacon 3 or 4 years ago with my sons..it was harder coming back down than going up.And i saw a woman starting to go up wearing shower clogs !
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Artstamp, i can list some more...i fluctuate between stamp and cover collecting...If these 19th century covers had been from Guatemala instead of Cuba my wife and I could have gone on vacation !
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this 1857 letter is complete if we can forgive a corner of the stamp missing.
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Heres a lengthy letter written in 1865 the envelope has a small tear below the postmark.
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Can you provide a scanned copy of the letter? or letters?
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Will give it a shot tomorrow !
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This is the longest letter by far..its from the cover i mentioned had a small tear under the postmark.
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Hello Phil,
Letter from Bayamo to Manzanillo, Oriente, Cuba: 1865
This is a commercial letter between the Viña and Battle retail company in Bayamo and the Ramiro y Oro wholesale company in Manzanillo. Mr. Battle apparently wrote the letter in which he objects that Ramiro y Oro have not written them for a while, and they are in need of apparently a barreled product--sugar, rum, beef or pork?? (The scan cropped the words.)
The Viña y Battle store requests an immediate delivery of ten barrels at 5.50 pesos.
Here´s a modernized version of the formulaic 1860s Spanish language letter:
Bayamo Nov. 1, 1865
Señores Ramiro y Oro,
Manzanillo
Dear Friends,
We have not received recently any of your pleasant letters. We would like to inform you that we have seen a letter from you addressed to our mutual friends, I. Casas and Company, whereby you offered them (cropped words) for over 5 and a half (pesos) per barrel. If you still have any, and for equal price, we would like you to deliver to us ten barrels as soon as possible. We reiterate it is urgent that this merchandise reach us as soon as possible, and to be delivered by the first available wagon driver (carretero: oxen cart driver) leaving for this city.
We have had to seek information from others, as we have not received any news from you, nor price lists, from your interesting and pleasant letters, a fact we infinitely regret.
We would appreciate your prompt response by return mail. In a few days our own Viñas will be passing by (Manzanillo) and you can see if he purchases something else from you.
Affectionately yours, We Kiss Your Hand (formal expression)
(Signed) Viñas and Battle
Manzanillo is on the west coast of Oriente province.
"Manzanillo, a thriving town of 9000 people, the seaport for Bayamo and Jiguani":
source a book written in 1899 by Mr. Robert P. Porter on the Cuban Economy at the end of the War of Independence, 1895-1898: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/41463/41463-h/41463-h.htm#page_190 A very interesting analysis of pre-War of Independence and post-War of Independence Cuban economy.
Bayamo is one of the largest cities of Oriente province, close to the Sierra Maestra.
Distance from Manzanillo to Bayamo is nearly 70 kms. Oxen carts were used to deliver goods in such regions of Cuba in the XIXth century.
1865 is an important historic date in Cuba's independent movements. Criollos--creole elites: businessmen especially--began to demand from Spain more freedom to conduct business, especially international business. This ferment ended with the beginning of the Ten Years War, 1868-1878, a devastating event that bankrupted many of the insurgents, generally Creole entrepreneurs, farmers, landowners, and many other Cuban and Spanish inhabitants of the Island of Cuba.
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Thank You Robert, history is amazing..in the same magic postcard box my wife found a postcard from a 1917 army post in her home town of Laren, North Holland. The postcard was in German to an address in Germany..so its a bit of a mystery as The Netherlands was neutral in the first world war. We can go through many boxes of postcards and usually find little of interest...this box was a bonanza.
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We went to a local High School yearly flea market and a woman had some 1850s/1860s Cuba covers..i snapped them up.
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re: picked up some 1850s/1860s Cuba covers from a postcard dollar box
A wonderful find!
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re: picked up some 1850s/1860s Cuba covers from a postcard dollar box
Hello, I found online a document, a letter, archived at the University of Miami, addressed to a Juan Soler, of Matanzas. The letter is from 1891. Apparently this Juan Soler was a Count who was the VicePresident of the Civil Government of Matanzas, one of the six Cuban provinces. This was before the beginning of the War of Independence in 1895.
It would be interesting to find out if the addressee is the same Juan Soler y Morell, Count of Diana, Provincial VicePresident of Matanzas, who was involved in the building of a railroad extension in that province.
First Conde de la Diana, Juan Antonio Pablo Soler Morell, 1824 - 1908
Here's the link:
https://merrick.library.miami.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/chc0347/id/11671/rec/1
The postmark is from the city of Remedios one of the oldest settlements in Villa Clara.
Congratulations on such a wonderful find!
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re: picked up some 1850s/1860s Cuba covers from a postcard dollar box
Thanks Harvey and Artstamp..we went to this annual sale and i did not really have high expectations...i added to my 1933 Chicago Century of Progress collection,my local Hudson valley collection with the Mount Beacon card. I climbed up the old track trail to mount Beacon 3 or 4 years ago with my sons..it was harder coming back down than going up.And i saw a woman starting to go up wearing shower clogs !
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re: picked up some 1850s/1860s Cuba covers from a postcard dollar box
Artstamp, i can list some more...i fluctuate between stamp and cover collecting...If these 19th century covers had been from Guatemala instead of Cuba my wife and I could have gone on vacation !
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re: picked up some 1850s/1860s Cuba covers from a postcard dollar box
this 1857 letter is complete if we can forgive a corner of the stamp missing.
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re: picked up some 1850s/1860s Cuba covers from a postcard dollar box
Heres a lengthy letter written in 1865 the envelope has a small tear below the postmark.
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Can you provide a scanned copy of the letter? or letters?
robert
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Will give it a shot tomorrow !
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This is the longest letter by far..its from the cover i mentioned had a small tear under the postmark.
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re: picked up some 1850s/1860s Cuba covers from a postcard dollar box
Hello Phil,
Letter from Bayamo to Manzanillo, Oriente, Cuba: 1865
This is a commercial letter between the Viña and Battle retail company in Bayamo and the Ramiro y Oro wholesale company in Manzanillo. Mr. Battle apparently wrote the letter in which he objects that Ramiro y Oro have not written them for a while, and they are in need of apparently a barreled product--sugar, rum, beef or pork?? (The scan cropped the words.)
The Viña y Battle store requests an immediate delivery of ten barrels at 5.50 pesos.
Here´s a modernized version of the formulaic 1860s Spanish language letter:
Bayamo Nov. 1, 1865
Señores Ramiro y Oro,
Manzanillo
Dear Friends,
We have not received recently any of your pleasant letters. We would like to inform you that we have seen a letter from you addressed to our mutual friends, I. Casas and Company, whereby you offered them (cropped words) for over 5 and a half (pesos) per barrel. If you still have any, and for equal price, we would like you to deliver to us ten barrels as soon as possible. We reiterate it is urgent that this merchandise reach us as soon as possible, and to be delivered by the first available wagon driver (carretero: oxen cart driver) leaving for this city.
We have had to seek information from others, as we have not received any news from you, nor price lists, from your interesting and pleasant letters, a fact we infinitely regret.
We would appreciate your prompt response by return mail. In a few days our own Viñas will be passing by (Manzanillo) and you can see if he purchases something else from you.
Affectionately yours, We Kiss Your Hand (formal expression)
(Signed) Viñas and Battle
Manzanillo is on the west coast of Oriente province.
"Manzanillo, a thriving town of 9000 people, the seaport for Bayamo and Jiguani":
source a book written in 1899 by Mr. Robert P. Porter on the Cuban Economy at the end of the War of Independence, 1895-1898: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/41463/41463-h/41463-h.htm#page_190 A very interesting analysis of pre-War of Independence and post-War of Independence Cuban economy.
Bayamo is one of the largest cities of Oriente province, close to the Sierra Maestra.
Distance from Manzanillo to Bayamo is nearly 70 kms. Oxen carts were used to deliver goods in such regions of Cuba in the XIXth century.
1865 is an important historic date in Cuba's independent movements. Criollos--creole elites: businessmen especially--began to demand from Spain more freedom to conduct business, especially international business. This ferment ended with the beginning of the Ten Years War, 1868-1878, a devastating event that bankrupted many of the insurgents, generally Creole entrepreneurs, farmers, landowners, and many other Cuban and Spanish inhabitants of the Island of Cuba.
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re: picked up some 1850s/1860s Cuba covers from a postcard dollar box
Thank You Robert, history is amazing..in the same magic postcard box my wife found a postcard from a 1917 army post in her home town of Laren, North Holland. The postcard was in German to an address in Germany..so its a bit of a mystery as The Netherlands was neutral in the first world war. We can go through many boxes of postcards and usually find little of interest...this box was a bonanza.
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