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26 Feb 2020
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The sense of accomplishment when you complete a page of difficult stamps to acquire. My French Tunisia is nearing completion, as I just miss a handful of stamps, but budget wise, I really don't know if it will ever be complete. So this page is even more satisfying as the elusive #22 has finally arrived.
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26 Feb 2020
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26 Feb 2020
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Nice seeing the postage dues.

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26 Feb 2020
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26 Feb 2020
03:51:54pm
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Very nice page of Tunisia rr...! Happy

I bought a small number of the T perfins last year and eventually found a good listing of them in the Yvert et Tellier catalogue in my stamp society.

This has a note saying there are three forms of the T perfin:

- six holes in the vertical leg of T (from Tunis)

- five holes in the vertical leg of T (from certain post offices in the interior)

- a very rare smaller format T from a single post office (Gafsa).

For most of the stamps the catalogue lists vertical pairs with the T perfin tête-bêche.



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26 Feb 2020
05:36:26pm
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I'm not into Tunisian stamps, but I'm amazed that the perfins at the bottom of the page survived. There's almost more stamp missing than is left! Great looking stuff though, I much prefer older stamps over new ones!

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27 Feb 2020
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Good point Nigel. I have not yet tackled the punched and o/p postage dues, and I only displayed the few that have accidentally come my way. But for those who are interested, here are samples (currently on ebay) of some of the postage dues that I will eventually focus on.

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5 and 6 holes. These also are often found inverted

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various TD (Tax Due) types of o/p

I have never seen the third type mentioned by Nigel

"a very rare smaller format T from a single post office (Gafsa)."


If anyone has a sample image to describe it, I would love to see it!
rrr...

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28 Feb 2020
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I found a few more. I have no idea how many versions of Fr. Tunisia Postage due punched and O/P stamps exist. Does anyone have a catalog other than Scott (that does not list them), to guide me?
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28 Feb 2020
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Hi rr...

I have some info from Yvert et Tellier.

It's not easy to post here so I'll e-mail you.

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28 Feb 2020
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Thanks Nigel. Very interesting.
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28 Feb 2020
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I never knew that the overprint was appplied to the bottom sheet labels as well.

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28 Feb 2020
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On my way to identify another stamp, I came across (on Colnect) some terrific post-Colonial Tunisian stamps.

Above is the one I call The Burka Buster.

Below please find The Jetsons.

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29 Feb 2020
07:44:20pm
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Is Tunisia the only former colony that improved its stamp designs after independence? El Mekki is among the greats, in the same league as Slania and Gandon.

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03 Mar 2020
10:33:32am
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I have a slightly off-topic question relating to this Tunisian stamp:

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This is Tunisia SG 1013 from 1982, "Tunisia Land of Congresses".

This particular example is postmarked in 1988.

I don't see it listed in my 2009 Scott set.

Has it been added in a more recent edition or am I looking in the wrong place?

In SG it is listed between SG 1012 (Scott #812) and SG 1014 (Scott #813)




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dell4c

03 Mar 2020
11:25:06am
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try scott #811

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03 Mar 2020
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Thanks very much Bob! Happy

I didn't make the link between "Land of Congresses" and the Arab Postal Union but I now see the flags of Arab countries at the bottom of the stamp.


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lmintveld

03 Apr 2020
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Nice to find this discussion.

Just started myself to sort a load of Tunisian stamps.

I am having trouble understanding the difference between the Scott's type A1 and A2

Can somebody assist me and help me understand how I can sort them correctly?

Thanks in advance

Leen in Eldridge Iowa

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04 Apr 2020
01:25:08pm
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If you look at the numbers of the A1 type, they are narrow and thin. The numbers in the A2 type are thicker and wider. There are other color differences, but you can just rely on the size and shape of the numbers to differentiate the two types.
This is useful for regular stamps and for the punched postage due.
rrr...

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04 Apr 2020
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Hello rrraphy
What you think about the two types of thin numbers?You found this type with white line in number?Two dies?

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04 Apr 2020
10:17:33pm
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Hi George: All the numbers I have seen for type A1 are solid. I had never seen the type shown on the Right Hand Side.
I am not an expert here, but I wonder if anyone may want to support my suspicion that it may be counterfeit, with some actual data? I would certainly research it further if I were you...something does not "feel right" but I cannot pinpoint it. Anyone knows if there were several die plates?
rrr...
PS: I scanned the stamps offered on Hipstamp Tunisia Scott #1-8 There were 2 others with crosshatch numbers. A 40c stamp (could be light ink) and a 5c stamp. (Also...amazing how many dealers cannot figure out the two types A1 and A2)...so again..I don't know enough.

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05 Apr 2020
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"If you look at the numbers of the A1 type, they are narrow and thin. The numbers in the A2 type are thicker and wider. There are other color differences, but you can just rely on the size and shape of the numbers to differentiate the two types.
This is useful for regular stamps and for the punched postage due.
rrr..."


Another useful test arises from the fact that the original type was designed and engraved by E. Casse while the second type was engraved by Louis-Eugène Mouchon.

Reflecting this, the original type just has E. Casse's name at the bottom left while the second type has he additional name "E. Mouchon" at the bottom right.

I've not found any more information on "E. Casse" although I've seen references to non-stamp engravings by someone called "du Casse" around the same time.
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05 Apr 2020
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Ralph.

According to the Serrane Guide, E.D. Bacon for Stanley Gibbons, reported that there were official reprints made from the original printing. There are supposed to be hard to distinguish from the originals. There also was a second pritning of the originals from which there are mostly paper differences. There is no mention of counterfeits of this issue. It could be a light strike, under inked, second printing, or a reprint...maybe even a later forgery?

Interesting side note is that the perforated "T" of the postage dues have been forged. According to Serrane, there are numerous types. The Geneva forgeries, Type I, the "T" (upright or inverted) measure 16.1mm wide by 19.5 mm high. Comparison with a genuine specimen is necessary as the dimension of the genuine "T" is 16mm wide by 19.5mm high. Forgeries also have a date cancellation. The originals were mostly hand-canceled with pen and ink.

The forged cancellation is a double circle (24mm wide). The inner circle has broken lines, with date. At the top of the cancel is "TUNIS". At the bottom is "REGENCE DE TUNIS. In the middle is either: "7E / 9 AOUT", or 1E / 20 Juin 94". The "E" is a small exponential letter.

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Thanks Michael.
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The sense of accomplishment when you complete a page of difficult stamps to acquire. My French Tunisia is nearing completion, as I just miss a handful of stamps, but budget wise, I really don't know if it will ever be complete. So this page is even more satisfying as the elusive #22 has finally arrived.
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26 Feb 2020
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Nice seeing the postage dues.

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26 Feb 2020
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I'm Jealous!!!!!

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26 Feb 2020
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Very nice page of Tunisia rr...! Happy

I bought a small number of the T perfins last year and eventually found a good listing of them in the Yvert et Tellier catalogue in my stamp society.

This has a note saying there are three forms of the T perfin:

- six holes in the vertical leg of T (from Tunis)

- five holes in the vertical leg of T (from certain post offices in the interior)

- a very rare smaller format T from a single post office (Gafsa).

For most of the stamps the catalogue lists vertical pairs with the T perfin tête-bêche.



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26 Feb 2020
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I'm not into Tunisian stamps, but I'm amazed that the perfins at the bottom of the page survived. There's almost more stamp missing than is left! Great looking stuff though, I much prefer older stamps over new ones!

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27 Feb 2020
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re: French Colonies - Tunisia

Good point Nigel. I have not yet tackled the punched and o/p postage dues, and I only displayed the few that have accidentally come my way. But for those who are interested, here are samples (currently on ebay) of some of the postage dues that I will eventually focus on.

Image Not Found
5 and 6 holes. These also are often found inverted

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various TD (Tax Due) types of o/p

I have never seen the third type mentioned by Nigel

"a very rare smaller format T from a single post office (Gafsa)."


If anyone has a sample image to describe it, I would love to see it!
rrr...

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28 Feb 2020
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I found a few more. I have no idea how many versions of Fr. Tunisia Postage due punched and O/P stamps exist. Does anyone have a catalog other than Scott (that does not list them), to guide me?
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28 Feb 2020
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Hi rr...

I have some info from Yvert et Tellier.

It's not easy to post here so I'll e-mail you.

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28 Feb 2020
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Thanks Nigel. Very interesting.
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I never knew that the overprint was appplied to the bottom sheet labels as well.

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28 Feb 2020
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On my way to identify another stamp, I came across (on Colnect) some terrific post-Colonial Tunisian stamps.

Above is the one I call The Burka Buster.

Below please find The Jetsons.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

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29 Feb 2020
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Is Tunisia the only former colony that improved its stamp designs after independence? El Mekki is among the greats, in the same league as Slania and Gandon.

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03 Mar 2020
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I have a slightly off-topic question relating to this Tunisian stamp:

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This is Tunisia SG 1013 from 1982, "Tunisia Land of Congresses".

This particular example is postmarked in 1988.

I don't see it listed in my 2009 Scott set.

Has it been added in a more recent edition or am I looking in the wrong place?

In SG it is listed between SG 1012 (Scott #812) and SG 1014 (Scott #813)




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dell4c

03 Mar 2020
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try scott #811

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03 Mar 2020
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Thanks very much Bob! Happy

I didn't make the link between "Land of Congresses" and the Arab Postal Union but I now see the flags of Arab countries at the bottom of the stamp.


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lmintveld

03 Apr 2020
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Nice to find this discussion.

Just started myself to sort a load of Tunisian stamps.

I am having trouble understanding the difference between the Scott's type A1 and A2

Can somebody assist me and help me understand how I can sort them correctly?

Thanks in advance

Leen in Eldridge Iowa

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04 Apr 2020
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If you look at the numbers of the A1 type, they are narrow and thin. The numbers in the A2 type are thicker and wider. There are other color differences, but you can just rely on the size and shape of the numbers to differentiate the two types.
This is useful for regular stamps and for the punched postage due.
rrr...

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04 Apr 2020
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Hello rrraphy
What you think about the two types of thin numbers?You found this type with white line in number?Two dies?

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Hi George: All the numbers I have seen for type A1 are solid. I had never seen the type shown on the Right Hand Side.
I am not an expert here, but I wonder if anyone may want to support my suspicion that it may be counterfeit, with some actual data? I would certainly research it further if I were you...something does not "feel right" but I cannot pinpoint it. Anyone knows if there were several die plates?
rrr...
PS: I scanned the stamps offered on Hipstamp Tunisia Scott #1-8 There were 2 others with crosshatch numbers. A 40c stamp (could be light ink) and a 5c stamp. (Also...amazing how many dealers cannot figure out the two types A1 and A2)...so again..I don't know enough.

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05 Apr 2020
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"If you look at the numbers of the A1 type, they are narrow and thin. The numbers in the A2 type are thicker and wider. There are other color differences, but you can just rely on the size and shape of the numbers to differentiate the two types.
This is useful for regular stamps and for the punched postage due.
rrr..."


Another useful test arises from the fact that the original type was designed and engraved by E. Casse while the second type was engraved by Louis-Eugène Mouchon.

Reflecting this, the original type just has E. Casse's name at the bottom left while the second type has he additional name "E. Mouchon" at the bottom right.

I've not found any more information on "E. Casse" although I've seen references to non-stamp engravings by someone called "du Casse" around the same time.
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Ralph.

According to the Serrane Guide, E.D. Bacon for Stanley Gibbons, reported that there were official reprints made from the original printing. There are supposed to be hard to distinguish from the originals. There also was a second pritning of the originals from which there are mostly paper differences. There is no mention of counterfeits of this issue. It could be a light strike, under inked, second printing, or a reprint...maybe even a later forgery?

Interesting side note is that the perforated "T" of the postage dues have been forged. According to Serrane, there are numerous types. The Geneva forgeries, Type I, the "T" (upright or inverted) measure 16.1mm wide by 19.5 mm high. Comparison with a genuine specimen is necessary as the dimension of the genuine "T" is 16mm wide by 19.5mm high. Forgeries also have a date cancellation. The originals were mostly hand-canceled with pen and ink.

The forged cancellation is a double circle (24mm wide). The inner circle has broken lines, with date. At the top of the cancel is "TUNIS". At the bottom is "REGENCE DE TUNIS. In the middle is either: "7E / 9 AOUT", or 1E / 20 Juin 94". The "E" is a small exponential letter.

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