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oldtriguy1960
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29 Jan 2020
06:12:16am
Hi Everyone,
Besides color differences, is there any other way to distinguish between USED examples of Scott # 34-40 (1870-89 series) and Scott # 41-47 (1888-97 series)?
More specifically, the 3c denomination (Scott 37 vs 41) and 10c denomination (Scott 40 vs 45)
Thanks in advance,

Dave N.

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29 Jan 2020
10:25:44am
re: Any Differences between 1870-1879 series and 1888-1897 series?

Hi Dave,
I do not understand your post… #34 is the green 10 cent from the 1851-57 series. #40 is the 1 cent blue ‘special reprint’ from 1875 which were not valid for postal use. #37 is the gray lilac 24 cent from the 1851-57 series and the #41 is the 3 cent scarlet ‘special printing’ from 1875 which was not valid for postage.
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oldtriguy1960
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29 Jan 2020
10:58:28am
re: Any Differences between 1870-1879 series and 1888-1897 series?

Hi Don,

Are you talking USA stamps Scott #s? I'm inquiring about Canada stamps.

Dave N.

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29 Jan 2020
11:19:51am
re: Any Differences between 1870-1879 series and 1888-1897 series?

You're asking about the Montreal and Ottawa printings?

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29 Jan 2020
11:30:20am
re: Any Differences between 1870-1879 series and 1888-1897 series?

Well doh, sorry about that...I should refrain from posting right after dialysis when my mental acuity is not 100%.
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Harvey
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29 Jan 2020
03:39:52pm
re: Any Differences between 1870-1879 series and 1888-1897 series?

Very difficult to explain in detail - I have both series and remember it as being fairly difficult. If you can get your hands an a copy of the Unitrade Canada Specialized Catalog and check out the "small Queen identification table" - it's on page 55 of the 2015 copy. It will lead you through the procedure. Honestly if I had to tell the difference right now I'd have to put time into it. Of course, I bet one of the members can tell you an easy method - if so, I'd love to hear it! There appears to be very slight perforation difference, but you need to use a guide measured in 1000's of an inch - the Kuisalas gauge(?)! Have fun with that, I'm glad mine were done by an expert. My dealer has been in the business since 1970 and him and his son are people I trust totally - thank God!
If you want to be really confused I found a web site for you that explains it all in painful detail: http://canadianphilately.blogspot.com/2015/09/distinguishing-printings-of-small-queen.html

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29 Jan 2020
06:29:26pm
re: Any Differences between 1870-1879 series and 1888-1897 series?

Michael78651 - sort of... the Montreal-Ottawa printings are for Scott #s 34-40.
My inquiry is mainly about how to distinguish between # 37 and # 41. Both are 3c, of the same design type (Scott A24), and both perf 12. There are slight shade differences per Scott. My copies are used so I can’t use gum to distinguish them. And distinguishing shades on old used stamps is often unreliable. I’ll use the rule of thumb to identify them as the lower catalog value item until proven otherwise....

Harvey - Thanks for the tip and website. I do have a Unitrade catalog, just not with me now. I’ll have to check it out when I get home. Will check out the website too!

Dave N.

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Harvey
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29 Jan 2020
07:36:11pm
re: Any Differences between 1870-1879 series and 1888-1897 series?

I was just comparing my copies of 37 and 41. They do look to have a slightly different colour but I just have to assume my expert knew what he was doing. I'm curious what will happen when I am no longer here and my collection goes out there to be evaluated. My Canada collection is very extensive and I have spent a lot of hard earned money on it over the years. Does the person evaluating the collection take my word for everything or will many hours be spent checking each item. With Canada, an also with my US collection, the early stamps are very difficult. One last comment about the small and large Queens, there are many varieties of each stamp that have different colour shades as well. I supposedly have 37c, 37e, and 41a which is supposed to be a Montreal printing for this Ottawa printed stamp. This starts to get real crazy after a while. I really wonder if anyone knows what they are really doing!!!

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29 Jan 2020
09:22:07pm
re: Any Differences between 1870-1879 series and 1888-1897 series?

"I'm curious what will happen when I am no longer here and my collection goes out there to be evaluated."

What type of evaluation ? Is this a Canadian requirement? There is no Federal tax on estates in the US unless the value is over $5.3 million dollars. I believe that half a dozen states have an estate tax but do not know the thresholds.

I can't begin to imagine requiring a detailed "evaluation" of a collection.

Just curious

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simothecat
29 Jan 2020
09:43:04pm
re: Any Differences between 1870-1879 series and 1888-1897 series?

As a starting point, if there is a small guide dot in the margin below the lower left corner, it is a 37. This only works for 90% of 37's.

Also, any that are perf 11.5 by 12 are also 37.

Beyond this you need to look at colour shades and careful perf measurements. (You might need to be able to distinquish between 11.9 and 12)

Jan

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Harvey
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30 Jan 2020
12:47:02pm
re: Any Differences between 1870-1879 series and 1888-1897 series?

I should explain what I mean by "going out for evaluation". I have no family and my executors know there is a lot of value in my stamp collection. My estate will be auctioned and the results will go to local charities I have already chosen. I assume my executor will want to have some of my things looked at so she has an idea of value. If it is then auctioned I would assume it would probably carry a reserve somewhat based on the value. We all have to plan for the future! I learned the importance of planning ahead when my wife died of cancer 5 years ago. She handled most of the money and she made sure we went to her banks and made the accounts joint - this cut down on the hassle immensely even though it was hard to do at the time. I realize the evaluations don't have to be exact but some of the more expensive varieties would probably be checked out. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they would just glance through and set a very low price to cut down on work - I really don't know!

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30 Jan 2020
01:23:16pm
re: Any Differences between 1870-1879 series and 1888-1897 series?

I developed a 'Album Disposition Form' (PDF) which you can download and you can then add it to any album or stock book. This will help those who follow you better understand your evaluation of each album/book and how best to disposition it.

The form is an interactive PDF so you can fill it out on your computer, print it, and then slip one into each of your albums/stock books.
http://stampsmarter.com/learning/Home_TemplatesForms.html
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Harvey
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30 Jan 2020
05:05:24pm
re: Any Differences between 1870-1879 series and 1888-1897 series?

That's a great link. When I have a bit more time I'm going to follow up on it. The one major thing I've been concentrating on is making sure there is proper follow up with my collections when I am no longer around - hopefully not for a long time yet since I'm only 68. But I advise everyone, no matter how indestructible you think you are, to have a will and put some major thought into it! It's important to you and the people who will have to clean up the mess later!
Sorry I've changed this thread so much, but that's what happens!

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