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Oceania/Australia : DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

 

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Horamakhet
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13 Jan 2020
11:15:54pm
Hi to all,

I purchased this stamp with several others on several sheets.

Now one of the stamps, the previous owner has listed as DIE II, if this is correct, then it is a valuable stamp.

Attached are scans of the stamp, and the sheet of stamps that came with it, I have not moved any as yet to stock books.

What do others think, is the previous owner right, but it is a SPUR

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Horamakhet

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michael78651

14 Jan 2020
01:16:36am
re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

I think it's a Die 1A

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Horamakhet
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14 Jan 2020
01:18:32am
re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

Hi Michael178651

I am not used to all these different dies, what would make it a DIE IA

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Tasnaki
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14 Jan 2020
01:52:44am
re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

It certainly looks like a die 2.

Die 2 is not really a separate new die, there are a number of positions on plate 1 of the original plates called die 2 because of the spur in the LVT.

Not overly valuable, my ACSC starts them at SA20 for fine used. There may be other flaws present to establish the exact plate position but I can see nothing obvious on your example.

If you can post a larger copy of the die 3 (this is a new die and printed on 'War savings paper") it could be of interest.

Tasnaki

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michael78651

14 Jan 2020
02:13:34am
re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

I bet the Scott and Gibbons die numbering aren't the same. The Scott Die 1A has the spur in the LVT.

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Horamakhet
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14 Jan 2020
07:41:57am
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Hi Tasnaki

Here are scans of the DIE III

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Horamakhet

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Tasnaki
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14 Jan 2020
12:52:21pm
re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

Hi Horamakhet

Both SG and the ACSC use the term Die 2 for the spur, I do not have a Scott but 1a seems logical.

I cannot see any variety on your die 3. the horizontal line through three shading lines at bottom left of the Kings neck confirms it as Die 3. ACSC for fine used is $30 in my 2014 copy.

Tasnaki

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Horamakhet
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14 Jan 2020
05:58:57pm
re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

Hi Tasnaki

Surprised that you don't have the new coloured edition of the KGV ACSC

The colour photos make it much easier to identify varieties.

The reason I mentioned DIE II might be valuable is that in the 2018 edition of the ACSC it says on page 4/71
DIE II 27500, Mint, and $5250 in used condition, and if you have a pair of DIE I & II then in used condition $10,000.

Also the SG edition 2018 Australia says DIE II 3250 pound for used, and 18000 pound for Mint.

Now I know that it would be impossible to get these prices, but the price of really good copies is increasing.
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Tasnaki
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14 Jan 2020
10:19:19pm
re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

Hi Horamakhet

You must be looking at the single line perf, these are very rare. Yours is an ordinary comb perf and not uncommon.

A die 1/die 2 pair is certainly valuable.

Tasnaki

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Horamakhet

13 Jan 2020
11:15:54pm

Hi to all,

I purchased this stamp with several others on several sheets.

Now one of the stamps, the previous owner has listed as DIE II, if this is correct, then it is a valuable stamp.

Attached are scans of the stamp, and the sheet of stamps that came with it, I have not moved any as yet to stock books.

What do others think, is the previous owner right, but it is a SPUR

Regards
Horamakhet

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michael78651

14 Jan 2020
01:16:36am

re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

I think it's a Die 1A

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Horamakhet

14 Jan 2020
01:18:32am

re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

Hi Michael178651

I am not used to all these different dies, what would make it a DIE IA

Horamakhet

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Tasnaki

14 Jan 2020
01:52:44am

re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

It certainly looks like a die 2.

Die 2 is not really a separate new die, there are a number of positions on plate 1 of the original plates called die 2 because of the spur in the LVT.

Not overly valuable, my ACSC starts them at SA20 for fine used. There may be other flaws present to establish the exact plate position but I can see nothing obvious on your example.

If you can post a larger copy of the die 3 (this is a new die and printed on 'War savings paper") it could be of interest.

Tasnaki

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michael78651

14 Jan 2020
02:13:34am

re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

I bet the Scott and Gibbons die numbering aren't the same. The Scott Die 1A has the spur in the LVT.

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Horamakhet

14 Jan 2020
07:41:57am

re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

Hi Tasnaki

Here are scans of the DIE III

Regards

Horamakhet

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Tasnaki

14 Jan 2020
12:52:21pm

re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

Hi Horamakhet

Both SG and the ACSC use the term Die 2 for the spur, I do not have a Scott but 1a seems logical.

I cannot see any variety on your die 3. the horizontal line through three shading lines at bottom left of the Kings neck confirms it as Die 3. ACSC for fine used is $30 in my 2014 copy.

Tasnaki

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Horamakhet

14 Jan 2020
05:58:57pm

re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

Hi Tasnaki

Surprised that you don't have the new coloured edition of the KGV ACSC

The colour photos make it much easier to identify varieties.

The reason I mentioned DIE II might be valuable is that in the 2018 edition of the ACSC it says on page 4/71
DIE II 27500, Mint, and $5250 in used condition, and if you have a pair of DIE I & II then in used condition $10,000.

Also the SG edition 2018 Australia says DIE II 3250 pound for used, and 18000 pound for Mint.

Now I know that it would be impossible to get these prices, but the price of really good copies is increasing.
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Horamakhet

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Tasnaki

14 Jan 2020
10:19:19pm

re: DIE II OR DIE I PENNY RED GEORGE V

Hi Horamakhet

You must be looking at the single line perf, these are very rare. Yours is an ordinary comb perf and not uncommon.

A die 1/die 2 pair is certainly valuable.

Tasnaki

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